Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Forum for Pittsburgh Penguins-related messages.

Moderators: Three Stars, dagny, pfim, netwolf

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby meow on Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:23 pm

I think we can all agree that Peter Skudra is the best goalie in team history.
meow
AHL All-Star
AHL All-Star
 
Posts: 6,838
Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:02 pm
Location: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby Rylan on Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:26 pm

meow wrote:I think we can all agree that Peter Skudra is the best goalie in team history.



:fist:
Rylan
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,001
Joined: Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:07 am
Location: Dead and Without Love

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby meow on Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:35 pm

Rylan wrote:
meow wrote:I think we can all agree that Peter Skudra is the best goalie in team history.



:fist:

He was my "coach" in the summer of 96. I learned absolutely nothing from him.
meow
AHL All-Star
AHL All-Star
 
Posts: 6,838
Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:02 pm
Location: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby Rylan on Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:45 pm

He was my favorite player.
Rylan
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,001
Joined: Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:07 am
Location: Dead and Without Love

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby mikey287 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:16 pm

Impressive that you could allow goals with such big pads...as this (if memory serves) 98-99 Pacific Revolution card shows...

Spoiler:
Image
mikey287
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,608
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:40 pm
Location: Philadelphia, PA - @MichaelFarkasHF

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby meow on Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:05 am

mikey287 wrote:Impressive that you could allow goals with such big pads...as this (if memory serves) 98-99 Pacific Revolution card shows...

Spoiler:
Image

Still dwarfed by good old Garth Snow

Spoiler:
Image

Seriously, look at those pillows. His GAA being above 0.00 is totally unacceptable.
meow
AHL All-Star
AHL All-Star
 
Posts: 6,838
Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:02 pm
Location: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby mikey287 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:47 am

Spoiler:
Image

Image


At least those guys cheated and didn't win anything...unfortunately, we weren't so lucky as a league...

"I'm no different than most people," Giguere told a reporter in a heavy French accent. "My chest starts at my ears and goes down from there."

Image
Giguere (left) when he's not having a Serta sale under his shirt
mikey287
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,608
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:40 pm
Location: Philadelphia, PA - @MichaelFarkasHF

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby dman66 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:10 pm

Running out of time and holding things up.

Gonna take Kip Miller with the first pick.

Image

Not my ideal 4th line center but with limited ice time he should do OK. Granted, he won't have a Jagr caliber player on his line, but I'm OK with that.

2nd pick coming in a second.
dman66
AHL'er
AHL'er
 
Posts: 3,783
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:04 pm
Location: Dahntahn Baltimore, MD

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby dman66 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:23 pm

Next pick - Jay Caufield

Image

More muscle on the 4th line. With Rupp on the other side, the line will be tough to play against as long as they aren't in their own zone too much.
dman66
AHL'er
AHL'er
 
Posts: 3,783
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:04 pm
Location: Dahntahn Baltimore, MD

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby mikey287 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:39 pm

Oh good, I was just coming to post that the clock had expired. Picks are in, Gaucho is up. I don't think there's an enforcer type that played more games for us than Caufield, right? So if you needed one of them, he was probably the best career value.

As we wind down here (already round 19!), start doing your best to prepare cases for your players. It'd be a lot to ask to make profiles like the ones that I'm doing, they are very time-consuming, but get some stats, get some quotes, get a little bit together so we can properly evaluate teams and lines and All-Star Teams, and what not at the end...

If there's anything I can help with, I certainly will, if you need help on how or where to find something, I'll do my best...

But if you think you have the best at a position, the best line, the best D pairing, it will take some defending. Even the people participating in this don't know all these players like the back of their hands...so think about the people that aren't actively researching this...

Just speaking personally, I wouldn't expect anyone to readily realize how potent my third line of Ross Lonsberry-Gregg Sheppard-George Ferguson could be defensively...nor do I expect anyone to readily realize how "meh" my second line was assembled and how I really put a lot of pressure on my top line to produce as a result...

Just start thinking about it a little, start compiling information for your guys - namely the guys you want to show off - and it'll come together a lot quicker than you think.
mikey287
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,608
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:40 pm
Location: Philadelphia, PA - @MichaelFarkasHF

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:40 pm

Where do we find quotes, again?
MRandall25
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,550
Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:11 pm
Location: BOBROVSKY!!!

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby mikey287 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:51 pm

If you have any books or old magazines (longshot), I use them - though I'm not a library quite yet. Or Google News (Google.com -> top toolbar "News" -> type your search hit [enter], go to [Search Tools] and you can customize the time in which it searches (i.e. "Les Binkley" custom search from say 1967-1972, so you don't get his AHL days and whatever else, as this is a Penguin-only project). Legends of Hockey is a fine source. Google Books can turn some unexpected quotes in. I believe "Tales of the Pittsburgh Penguins" or whatever is searchable on Google Books, among others. NHL.com seems to have player profiles for semistar players and up more or less and they might have something, not sure. Sometimes hockey cards from the time will have information about a player, so if you have any handy...

For most, Google News is going to be your best bet. It has been an invaluable resource for me. Some of you are also in the Pittsburgh area, so I don't doubt that a local library would have the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette archived back to 1967 (not far at all), so if anyone is a frequent library-attendee, that could prove extremely useful.
mikey287
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,608
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:40 pm
Location: Philadelphia, PA - @MichaelFarkasHF

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby Gaucho on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:54 pm

Ian Moran, D

Image

Nothing spectacular about him, but a solid stay-at-home type dman and a great team guy. My main reason for picking him are his 494 GP (including 61 playoffs games) over 9 seasons for the Pens, good for 4th among dmen (and 20th overall) in franchise history.
Last edited by Gaucho on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Gaucho
NHL Third Liner
NHL Third Liner
 
Posts: 40,540
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:22 am
Location: Jay Landsman's cookie jar

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby Gaucho on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:00 pm

I'm probably not going to have much time over the holidays and for the rest of the year to do research on each and every player. We'll see. It would be cool if a lot of fellow LGPers, hopefully some long-time fans among them, partake in extensive post-draft discussions.
Gaucho
NHL Third Liner
NHL Third Liner
 
Posts: 40,540
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:22 am
Location: Jay Landsman's cookie jar

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby Rylan on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:18 pm

Gaucho wrote:I'm probably not going to have much time over the holidays and for the rest of the year to do research on each and every player. We'll see. It would be cool if a lot of fellow LGPers, hopefully some long-time fans among them, partake in extensive post-draft discussions.


:fist:
Rylan
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,001
Joined: Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:07 am
Location: Dead and Without Love

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby mikey287 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:23 pm

Gaucho wrote:I'm probably not going to have much time over the holidays and for the rest of the year to do research on each and every player. We'll see. It would be cool if a lot of fellow LGPers, hopefully some long-time fans among them, partake in extensive post-draft discussions.


Of course, holidays and all, maybe you have an off day from work and you do a player or two, maybe you don't, it's whatever you're comfortable doing of course. And yes, I do hope others get involve and, too, we give them something to discuss.
mikey287
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,608
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:40 pm
Location: Philadelphia, PA - @MichaelFarkasHF

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby mikey287 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:35 pm

Here I'm hunting for a good faceoff guy and defensive guy, thinking one might be pretty tough to find that gives good career value...but lo and behold, sitting with just 25 forwards having more GP than him in Penguins history is Dave Hannan, C/LW

Image

A surprising amount of games played as a Penguin (I did a double take). 355 GP in 80's for us, part of the Paul Coffey trade (and then re-claimed in the waiver draft the next season).

Legends of Hockey wrote:Hanner" was an average skater and puckhandler. He liked to play a physical game but because of his size limitations, he wasn't the most effective hitter out there. Yet he played bigger than he actually was. Hannan was a good faceoff man and penalty killer, with a knack for defensive anticipation. Although he had modest tangible skills, Hannan enjoyed a 16 year professional career with more than 900 games under his belt. He lasted that long because of his great attitude, hard work and leadership abilities.

Hannan played a solid role as a penalty killer and defensive specialist in what was essentially his 2nd full NHL season. But Hannan also chipped in with his best offensive season, scoring 17 goals and 35 points.


Estimated PK TOI
1986 - 2nd among Pens forwards in PK TOI
1988 - 3rd among Pens forwards in PK TOI
1989 - 2nd among Pens forwards in PK TOI

No forward left has more career GP than Hannan, he's also 1 of only 3 Penguin forwards left in the top-50 in franchise scoring left on the board.
Last edited by mikey287 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
mikey287
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,608
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:40 pm
Location: Philadelphia, PA - @MichaelFarkasHF

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 19)

Postby Gaucho on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:42 pm

I was close to picking Hannan several times, as early as the 15th round iirc. Solid guy, good at pretty much everything.
Gaucho
NHL Third Liner
NHL Third Liner
 
Posts: 40,540
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:22 am
Location: Jay Landsman's cookie jar

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby Gaucho on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:44 pm

mikey287 wrote:also the only Penguin forward left in the top-50 in franchise scoring left on the board.


There are two more left, if I'm not completely mistaken. I'm afraid I already mentioned one of them (shame on me).
Gaucho
NHL Third Liner
NHL Third Liner
 
Posts: 40,540
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:22 am
Location: Jay Landsman's cookie jar

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby mikey287 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:48 pm

Gaucho wrote:
mikey287 wrote:also the only Penguin forward left in the top-50 in franchise scoring left on the board.


There are two more left, if I'm not completely mistaken. I'm afraid I already mentioned one of them (shame on me).


You're correct and I scrolled too fast... :thumbdown: @ me - good catch by you.
mikey287
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,608
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:40 pm
Location: Philadelphia, PA - @MichaelFarkasHF

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 19)

Postby Rylan on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:48 pm

With the 112th pick in the LGP draft, the Degloving Kings are proud to select from Montreal, Quebec:

G Jean-Sebastian Aubin

Image

A back-up that won't have problems with the other starting goalie...unlike who was paired with in his career. 6th all time in time on ice for the Penguins with a career 2.92 GAA he is the best available goalie. Who knows what this kid could have done with a proper mentor/teammate/coach? but as it stands he still is a good back-up to have for this draft.
Rylan
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,001
Joined: Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:07 am
Location: Dead and Without Love

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 19)

Postby mikey287 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:58 pm

Not a lot to Aubin, but not a lot left either. It should be interesting trying to sort out the goalies below 2 (sweet job, franchise...) after the draft. I looked the list up and down, then realized that Jean-Sebastien Aubin was probably a top-10 goalie in our team's history and then my stomach started to hurt a little...

Obviously, as Aubin was only really a starter for one season, he doesn't have much in the way of career recognition...but he does have this...

2000 Calder:
1. Scott Gomez
2. Brad Stuart
3. Mike York
4. Simon Gagne
5. Alex Tanguay
6. Brian Boucher (G)
7. Jean-Sebastien Aubin (G)
8. Trevor Letowski
9. Jan Hlavac
10. Martin Biron (G)
11. Brian Rafalski
12. Jochen Hecht
13. Jeff Halpern
14. Tyson Nash
15. Tim Connolly
16. Brenden Morrow
17. John Madden
18. Maxim Afinogenov
19. Manny Fernandez (G)
20. Karlis Skrastins

So, he may have very well been the 2nd best rookie goaltender in 2000!
mikey287
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,608
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:40 pm
Location: Philadelphia, PA - @MichaelFarkasHF

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 19)

Postby Rylan on Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:02 pm

lol. JS Aubin was talented. I just don't think he had the support system a young goalie requires to achieve his potential. He progressively got worse as his career continued, that's not a good sign.

As an aside, that 2000 rookie class is atrocious.
Rylan
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,001
Joined: Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:07 am
Location: Dead and Without Love

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 19)

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:04 pm

Yeah, those goalies are terrible (in hindsight).
MRandall25
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,550
Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:11 pm
Location: BOBROVSKY!!!

Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 19)

Postby mikey287 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:11 pm

*looking over at my Maxim Afinogenov jersey on my wall* ...yeah, who could like any of those guys...*sigh*

Yeah, I mean, what was Aubin to do...when he played, he had to watch total scrubs attempt to learn the game in front of his eyes...when he asked for advice, he got a chair thrown at him...

Fun fact: in 80 career wins, he has a 2.18 and .924; but in 11 career ties, he has 1.63 and .937. Aubin can draw with the best of'em...
mikey287
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,608
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:40 pm
Location: Philadelphia, PA - @MichaelFarkasHF

PreviousNext

Return to Pittsburgh Penguins

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Chirpin' Grinder, Defence21, DudeMan2766, Pens4Life, SpinnerSpencer and 25 guests

e-mail