SolidSnake wrote:Id like to hear from the Bylsma supporters what does Bylsma do that makes him such a great coach?
Idoit40fans wrote:Fair enough. Along with that comes an indifference towards legacy for certain players and the team in general. I don't respect that.
MRandall25 wrote:How do you get that?
I don't respect that you, for some reason, won't let someone have a different opinion of a coach than you. And, because we have a different opinion, that, judging by your post, makes us "indifferent"?
I'm, frankly, offended by that, because it couldn't be further than the truth.
mikey287 wrote:SolidSnake wrote:Id like to hear from the Bylsma supporters what does Bylsma do that makes him such a great coach?
I'm not sure about "great" coach and while I, too, am souring on him as Jacques Martin doesn't appear to be able to get enough of his influence involved here, I will say this about Bylsma...he is a real pace-pusher, more than a lot of coaches in the NHL, he gets his talent out ahead of the play and feels that the key to creating organic offense is let the skill win the one-on-one battles without having to deal with such oppressive back pressure. He has tried to create room for his skill in a league where the game is too fast for its own good.
Another point, while we currently rate "players' coach" as a negative (which I'm not saying is right or wrong), it is very difficult to keep lots of talent happy and at least relatively engaged. That is not easy. That's a lot harder than people give it credit for. It's like the people that say, "bleh, what did Glen Sather do? I could have coached those 80's Oilers to a few Cups myself..." No, you most certainly could not have. I've never coached in the NHL, but I know what it's like to have "star" players (relative to the competition) and "star personalities" on the bench and honestly, there's a couple battles I've lost and as a result "lost" the star player, so to speak. Flip side, Sidney Crosby has been consummate professional since he was 15 years old, he's not really the Yashin-type or anything...so full points may not need to be awarded, but how do you challenge Sidney Crosby? How do you get him to believe what you're saying?
Parallel to football, how do you coach Peyton Manning? How do you call plays as an offensive coordinator for Peyton Manning? The line becomes blurred as to who is coaching whom when you're dealing with the smartest player in the league...Crosby, isn't quite as vocal as Manning is, but the point remains.
He's a good "situation" matcher, as oppose to a line matcher. You see these fanatical line matchers like Claude Julien and Randy Carlyle and it has value, sure. You feel like you have a purpose when you're Gregory Campbell or Jay McClement...but sometimes it comes at a price. Sometimes Phil Kessel can't get out there as often as you'd like, sometimes Patrice Bergeron is too involved in his checking duties to really show off his offensive skills...if it's over-used and over-thought, it negatively affects your bench...you get these talented players sitting there, they're ready to go, and then you tap checkers for the second time in three shifts and there's a sag, there's some frustration...and I'm not talking about the first time or whatever, but sometimes over the course of a season or over the course of a series, that gets to you. Your skill players get frustrated, like they're taking a backseat...on the rink, they call no man "mister" and now all of a sudden Jay McClement is logging 3 or 4 more minutes, 4 or 5 more shifts than your star Phil Kessel (http://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscor ... 10BOS.html). Bylsma does a good job with man management, time management and situational matching. Knowing who can drag the team out of the gutter with regularity (Staal, Sutter) and who provides the most danger for the opposition with a head start (Malkin/Neal)...
I'm not a Bylsma apologist or anything of the sort (far from it), I think I have a good idea of when we're out-coached and I've gone over it a thousand times, but you asked twice, so that's what an outsider (to the Pens day-to-day operations) picks up...
MRandall25 wrote:Who said I was satisfied with the last 4 years?
Idoit40fans wrote:Anyone that thinks this team can accept 3 straight early exits then the worst conference finals elimination in history and still argue that the coach should say is suggesting that he's great, yes.
farnham16 wrote:And for the first time I am really starting to wonder if the Pens number one goal is to win. Or if getting those sellouts and a bunch of NBC games is enough now.
Bottom line is, I think the Pens attitude and direction mostly stinks right now and Bylsma's message has become stale. And I have zero confidence in a Bylsma led Pens team when the playoffs role around.
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