bhaw wrote:At this point, I'm pretty much convinced you haven't really been paying attention. Hard to argue simple observations. It's like trying to argue with the people who miraculously can't see that the team's "adjustment" to their transition game is to have everyone skate towards the other end of the ice and rely on tape to tape passes through the neutral zone. Or when people can't see that teams who play from around the goal line or behind the net kill us because our defensive coverage for some unexplained reason disappears, where guys literally don't know who they are supposed to cover.
You have apparently blocked out all the excuses the team has made year after year. I'm guessing you forget that DB blamed last year's inability to score on a force field. Not that he just kept skating his team directly into their defense.. a force field. Not his fault... a force field. Yeah, that guy gets it!
Great58 wrote:Why would I read all of this thread? It's a train wreck. Throughly off the rails.
Idoit40fans wrote:You arent confused, there just isnt a point.
bhaw wrote:Idoit40fans wrote:You arent confused, there just isnt a point.
Well basically what I just read when I put the comments together is that "I haven't seen anyone say that injuries are an excuse in the thread I haven't actually read."
iceolater wrote:Orpik USED to be feared and patient with the puck, moved it out but he is out of position, wont clear anyone and only hits those already out of position or smaller then him. Shero..PLEASE make a trade or else we are out in round 1 maybe 2 of the playoffs with this team as it is.
BitterClinger wrote:Agree with murphy, coaches need to coach not be the players best friend or shoulder to cry on when things aren't going their way.
danish_penguin wrote:iceolater wrote:Orpik USED to be feared and patient with the puck, moved it out but he is out of position, wont clear anyone and only hits those already out of position or smaller then him. Shero..PLEASE make a trade or else we are out in round 1 maybe 2 of the playoffs with this team as it is.
Plus/minus for our defensemen looks like this:
Niskanen +12 (!!!!)
Scuderi +5
Opik 0
Martin -1
Maatta -1
Bortuzzo -3
Engelland -4
Letang -8
And since Orpik plays against top-lines, being even is not bad. Letang is a much, much bigger problem.Maybe he should stick to the power play...
bhaw wrote:Have you read any of this thread? This is why I'm not going out of my way to quote things. If you've read the thread instead of poked your head in to point out one thing you think is inconsistent, it wouldn't even be a question. The Bylsmapologists have pointed out Suderi being hurt, forwards being hurt, Modano hurt in the playoffs, etc. There's always an excuse why this team can't get better and fix things (it's actually amusing seeing the people who were using Letang's injury as a reason the team game wasn't working also now screaming about how awful Letang is and needs traded). Injuries is one and Paul Martin being out will be used for the next 2 months. Actually probably longer b/c he has to get back into game shape.
The overall point is that DB has not fixed anything. Pens beat Toronto in a shootout and the Bylsmapologists are all pointing out that we won as why it's unreasonable to be upset at the way the team played. The team is doing the SAME dumb **** they did against Philly 2 playoffs ago. They can't keep their cool and get lured into games where they totally abandon defense. They STILL haven't fixed the damn transition game. How many turnovers do we see each game that lead to odd man breaks because we play super high risk transition? The defensive system has barely improved. Players are allowed to consistently let their emotions dictate their actions and put the team into bad situations. Injuries is a side track and a small piece of the accountability the team refuses to take. It's the mentality that they have the perfect system in place and if the players just executed it, we'd never lose a single game. Clearly that's not the case.
I don't expect you to have followed me, but I've been pretty detailed at going over tactical issues as they happened. This thread is a dumping ground for the frustration I have that this clown of a coach is still employed by a team he is destroying. A lot of it is also in fun, as there's nothing I can control over his coaching or employment, so might as well laugh at it. I've also noted that I don't expect him to be fired anytime soon and have posed options... for example, if Shero believes DB has it figured out, clearly the players can't execute, so we need to start hacking away the cancers. Although there is mixed messages because we keep signing the guys who can't execute this perfect system to long contracts.
There are a lot of things wrong with the team right now, and just bringing in a few guys at the deadline won't fix it. Ultimately, it's a lot easier to find a coach who can work with the wealth of talent we have than it is to find 22 players who can excel in this perimeter offense, high risk transition, zero accountability on defense system we are dead set in playing, regardless of results.
murphydump55 wrote:bhaw wrote:Have you read any of this thread? This is why I'm not going out of my way to quote things. If you've read the thread instead of poked your head in to point out one thing you think is inconsistent, it wouldn't even be a question. The Bylsmapologists have pointed out Suderi being hurt, forwards being hurt, Modano hurt in the playoffs, etc. There's always an excuse why this team can't get better and fix things (it's actually amusing seeing the people who were using Letang's injury as a reason the team game wasn't working also now screaming about how awful Letang is and needs traded). Injuries is one and Paul Martin being out will be used for the next 2 months. Actually probably longer b/c he has to get back into game shape.
The overall point is that DB has not fixed anything. Pens beat Toronto in a shootout and the Bylsmapologists are all pointing out that we won as why it's unreasonable to be upset at the way the team played. The team is doing the SAME dumb **** they did against Philly 2 playoffs ago. They can't keep their cool and get lured into games where they totally abandon defense. They STILL haven't fixed the damn transition game. How many turnovers do we see each game that lead to odd man breaks because we play super high risk transition? The defensive system has barely improved. Players are allowed to consistently let their emotions dictate their actions and put the team into bad situations. Injuries is a side track and a small piece of the accountability the team refuses to take. It's the mentality that they have the perfect system in place and if the players just executed it, we'd never lose a single game. Clearly that's not the case.
I don't expect you to have followed me, but I've been pretty detailed at going over tactical issues as they happened. This thread is a dumping ground for the frustration I have that this clown of a coach is still employed by a team he is destroying. A lot of it is also in fun, as there's nothing I can control over his coaching or employment, so might as well laugh at it. I've also noted that I don't expect him to be fired anytime soon and have posed options... for example, if Shero believes DB has it figured out, clearly the players can't execute, so we need to start hacking away the cancers. Although there is mixed messages because we keep signing the guys who can't execute this perfect system to long contracts.
There are a lot of things wrong with the team right now, and just bringing in a few guys at the deadline won't fix it. Ultimately, it's a lot easier to find a coach who can work with the wealth of talent we have than it is to find 22 players who can excel in this perimeter offense, high risk transition, zero accountability on defense system we are dead set in playing, regardless of results.
Great post Bhaw. I agree entirely!
Btw, has anyone watched much of Iginla on Boston? Man, that's the Iginla I wanted on the Penguins. But nope, leave it up to Bylsma to completely WASTE that trade and put the guy on a wing he hasn't played in 18 friggin years and didn't even care to address it. He's looking better every game there.
I've said it before, Bylsma is hurting this team more than he helps it.
murphydump55 wrote:
Btw, has anyone watched much of Iginla on Boston? Man, that's the Iginla I wanted on the Penguins. But nope, leave it up to Bylsma to completely WASTE that trade and put the guy on a wing he hasn't played in 18 friggin years and didn't even care to address it. He's looking better every game there.
The Snapshot wrote:I've watched Iginla in Boston almost every night. He does nothing but rip shots for which he does nothing but find open space. He had no wheels left and basically is a shell of his old self. Not sure how that is different than what he gave here. If that is an indictment of anyone, it is of fans who didn't realize what we were getting.
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