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Re: Fire DB

Postby llipgh2 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:24 pm

I wonder if HCDB made these changes on his own, or was "asked" (Told by Shero) to make some changes.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby Factorial on Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:26 pm

I like those changes.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:29 pm

The prospect of seeing bennett with crosby is appealing.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby pcm on Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:39 pm

Undoubtedly J Martin whispered in his ear to try something new...
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Re: Fire DB

Postby Jim on Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:43 pm

I a PSYCHED that Bennett is bring his 3 career goals to the top line! YES! YES! YES!
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Re: Fire DB

Postby shmenguin on Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:43 pm

the team's top priority is to get malkin on track. so any combination of lines that doesn't include kunitz-malkin-neal is disappointing.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby Great58 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:46 pm

shmenguin wrote:the team's top priority is to get malkin on track. so any combination of lines that doesn't include kunitz-malkin-neal is disappointing.

The 1st line hasn't been any better than any of the first three over the past 6 games or so, so I don't think Malkin needs to be the only consideration.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby tfrizz on Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:53 pm

meow wrote:
Defence21 wrote:
meow wrote:
Lines switched up this morning: Kunitz-Crosby-Bennett, Dupuis-Malkin-Neal, Jokinen-Sutter-Gibbons, Glass-Vitale-Adams pens.pe/17gM5di - 15 minutes ago

Interesting that Bylsma didn't go with Kunitz on the second line instead of Dupuis. Kunitz played really well with Malkin and Neal a few years back. Maybe it's an attempt to keep a more physical player on the top line given that the second line already has size?

Possibly. Maybe Malkin's line needs the injection of speed Dupuis will bring.


More like defensive responsibility. Malkin is -8 and Neal is -4.....
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Re: Fire DB

Postby Daniel87 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:56 pm

I think he means that getting Malkin going would be the best thing for this team right now. Jump start him and others will follow. No need to get greedy though. I like these lines a lot.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby RxBandit66 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:57 pm

I never understood the attachment that RS has to Bylsma. He's just a friggin coach, they're a dime a dozen. The past 7 years has been the organization's best chance to win multiple Cups in a long time. The first 2 years, the Pens went to the Cup finals and won a Cup, and mostly did that under a different coach, one who was a disciplinarian. Bylsma has failed each of the past 4 seasons to deliver any type of consistent system that can win in the postseason. Why is the team wasting so many years on a novice coach? Any coach in the league, if unemployed, would jump on the opportunity to coach this team. Shero could get anyone he wanted, and for some reason, he wants Bylsma.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:07 pm

Because players won't really want to play for an organization who changes coaches every time something goes wrong.

It's the consistency approach. Maintain a level of consistency in the organization (personnel-wise), and you can draw in players (both UFA's and players w/ expiring contracts) because they pretty much have an idea of what they're going to get.

Again, Shero has said he's wanted to model the team after the Red Wings. Keeping Bylsma around, even with his faults, supports that mindset of personnel consistency throughout the organization.

And like you said, Bylsma is a novice coach. He can only get better from here as he gains more experience (or, theoretically, should).

It's really not hard to see why he's keeping him around. Is it the right idea? That's debatable, but Shero has said why, and it's frankly a pretty good way to run a team.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby tfrizz on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:07 pm

Great58 wrote:
shmenguin wrote:the team's top priority is to get malkin on track. so any combination of lines that doesn't include kunitz-malkin-neal is disappointing.

The 1st line hasn't been any better than any of the first three over the past 6 games or so, so I don't think Malkin needs to be the only consideration.


Daniel87 wrote:I think he means that getting Malkin going would be the best thing for this team right now. Jump start him and others will follow. No need to get greedy though. I like these lines a lot.


There's a reason both lines have been changed - they need to try to get both going. Crosby's recorded just 1 goal and 1 assist in his last 5 games. Malkin's been a little better recording 0 goals and 5 assists in his last 5.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby meow on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:14 pm

tfrizz wrote:
meow wrote:
Defence21 wrote:
meow wrote:
Lines switched up this morning: Kunitz-Crosby-Bennett, Dupuis-Malkin-Neal, Jokinen-Sutter-Gibbons, Glass-Vitale-Adams pens.pe/17gM5di - 15 minutes ago

Interesting that Bylsma didn't go with Kunitz on the second line instead of Dupuis. Kunitz played really well with Malkin and Neal a few years back. Maybe it's an attempt to keep a more physical player on the top line given that the second line already has size?

Possibly. Maybe Malkin's line needs the injection of speed Dupuis will bring.


More like defensive responsibility. Malkin is -8 and Neal is -4.....

That would make more sense in Dupuis were better defensively than Jokinen. I'm not sure that is true.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:19 pm

Im pretty sure it is. He is certainly a better all around even strength player in any case.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby sil on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:22 pm

Must the sky fall whenever the pens hit a rough patch?
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Re: Fire DB

Postby the riddler on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:27 pm

I'm not sure if this is a rough patch. I think you can start getting a pretty good feel for the team that they are around 20 games. 12-8 is not good enough for this team. 5-7 in their last 12. I think there is reason to be concerned.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby columbia on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:28 pm

What's their recod since Letang came back?
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Re: Fire DB

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:28 pm

Move along people everything is fine. Just have to get the puck into the offensive zone.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby shmenguin on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:28 pm

columbia wrote:What's their recod since Letang came back?


0 and infinity, i think
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Re: Fire DB

Postby topshelf66 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:32 pm

I cn't tell the level of "buy-in" that HCDB is getting from his players but I have to imagine that occasionally 87 has to ask himself "Man, we are at home, why do I have line up against Chara every GD shift?" What is his coach doing for him.

Coach is safe through the olympics for sure. He will no longer be safe once the sellout strek ends. Even through it is somewhat artificial, it is important to the team. When interest has waned enough that student rush can't get them there, they may look to the on ice product.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:32 pm

shmenguin wrote:
columbia wrote:What's their recod since Letang came back?


0 and infinity, i think


At the 15 game mark (11-4), it was 7-0 without Letang and 4-4 with him.

We are now 1-4 since then, so 7-0 without Letang and 5-8 with him.

My math may be wrong, but it's a pretty noticeable difference.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:34 pm

columbia wrote:What's their recod since Letang came back?


5W 6L
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Re: Fire DB

Postby columbia on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:39 pm

Fire Letang
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Re: Fire DB

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:40 pm

columbia wrote:Fire Letang


Fire Bylsma for not holding Letang accountable...or Sid or Malkin

I think Malkin and Letang need the AO treatment.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby murphydump55 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:42 pm

I love that Bylsma is coaching Team USA more and more each day.
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