DropEmJayBird wrote:Fleury is mentally stronger than some of us based on what I read in this GDT nightly.

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DropEmJayBird wrote:Fleury is mentally stronger than some of us based on what I read in this GDT nightly.
Headshot77 wrote:Jesus people, so is Fleury the new whipping-boy? I'm sure Fleury will get his act together, there is a lot of playoff hockey to be played and you know he will get some chances. You people clamoring for Vokun to become our new #1 are ridiculous.
That being said, I am one for "riding the hot hand". If Vokun plays a bad game (which could be a win or a loss), Fleury goes in. Simple as that. Vokun isn't going to get insulted because he won't get every single start, he is more mature than that.
The mania on this board is disgusting at times.
eddiefromirwin wrote:I dont even like the logic of riding Vokoun until he has one bad game, and then replacing him. How many bad games has Fleury had these past few years? I think Vokoun deserves a serious shot at taking them as deep as possible.
pressure=9Pa wrote:I expect to see MAF starting game one. In my mind, round two was always going to be Fleury (if we got there) unless TV gave up 2 or fewer in each game. Of course, 3 in OT isn't that different than the arbitrary number that I came up with, but I don't see TV carrying us to a Cup. FLeury is the high risk - high reward option, and eventually we have to take that risk.
penmyst wrote:I never think long-term in the playoffs. The only future you are guaranteed is 4 games minimum in the series you are currently participating in. Therefore, I make decisions based on game-by-game bases.
Vokoun should play until he has a bad game. Notice I did not say "until he loses". If the Pens lose, but Vokoun has played well he should not be yanked. You assess his performance by the game. I think a WIN always weights the decision in favor of the goalie, even if he was shaky. But a LOSS should not be the only determining factor in whether you hook a guy.
That's how I felt about MAF as well. Up until Game 4, he had played well enough even through some iffy bits. But he had posted 2 out of 3 wins. His shaky performance in Game 4 though led to a loss, and so there was plenty of reason to give TV the reins.
Now I DO believe we will see MAF in this series. I don't expect the Pens to sweep Ottawa. And at Vokoun's age, it's entirely believable that he might show some slowdown from playing every other night and have a bad game in there.
Here is a good time to point out again; this is why they signed Vokoun. They could have spent less on a backup goalie, or went with an unproven youngster at a much cheaper salary. This move was intended to give them a more reliable Plan B if MAF got the playoff yips again.
DropEmJayBird wrote:Vokoun is not young. He's older, slower, heavier. He's got a few games in him, but for goodness sakes he uses his stick as a cane to help him get up from his knees.
Getting To My Game wrote:Fleury could give up 7 goals from Center Ice in Game 1 and people will still say that we need him for the East Finals.
The Snapshot wrote:Fleury was terrible in Games 2-4. Own goals and frantic overplaying of pucks - even the ones that didn't end up in the net. No idea why people would be calling for him to get the net back until the next point in these playoffs where a goalie change is NEEDED.
That ain't Game 1 versus the Sens. He is so mentally fragile in net it is ridiculous. His next shot should be when we have nothing to lose because Vokoun has crumbled the way he did. Maybe he can come in on a white horse under those conditions, because he wasn't handling the pressure of being expected to win and play well.
tfrizz wrote:Getting To My Game wrote:Fleury could give up 7 goals from Center Ice in Game 1 and people will still say that we need him for the East Finals.
There's a decent chance Fleury will be needed again, in some capacity, if the Penguins go far - if for no other reasons than his strengths (speed, reflexes, recovery, agility) are the primary weaknesses in Vokoun's game nowadays. You could see the Isles trying to attack Vokoun last night by forcing him to move laterally, but they put just about every chance wide.
Both goalies clearly have their weaknesses, and the Pens are fortunate enough that neither of them really share weaknesses; in fact, they almost mirror each other in those factors - Fleury's biggest strengths are Vokoun's weaknesses and vice versa.
If I were to guess in what way Fleury will be called upon, I'd say it's probably to take over a game for Vokoun if he gets in trouble and maybe start the next one. At that point, Fleury's play would dictate what happens next, in much the same way Vokoun's play the last two games have secured the starting spot for him; if Fleury plays well he may get more opportunities, and if not then Vokoun's leash is going to get even longer.
The Snapshot wrote:Fleury was terrible in Games 2-4. Own goals and frantic overplaying of pucks - even the ones that didn't end up in the net. No idea why people would be calling for him to get the net back until the next point in these playoffs where a goalie change is NEEDED.
That ain't Game 1 versus the Sens. He is so mentally fragile in net it is ridiculous. His next shot should be when we have nothing to lose because Vokoun has crumbled the way he did. Maybe he can come in on a white horse under those conditions, because he wasn't handling the pressure of being expected to win and play well.
Getting To My Game wrote:tfrizz wrote:Getting To My Game wrote:Fleury could give up 7 goals from Center Ice in Game 1 and people will still say that we need him for the East Finals.
There's a decent chance Fleury will be needed again, in some capacity, if the Penguins go far - if for no other reasons than his strengths (speed, reflexes, recovery, agility) are the primary weaknesses in Vokoun's game nowadays. You could see the Isles trying to attack Vokoun last night by forcing him to move laterally, but they put just about every chance wide.
Both goalies clearly have their weaknesses, and the Pens are fortunate enough that neither of them really share weaknesses; in fact, they almost mirror each other in those factors - Fleury's biggest strengths are Vokoun's weaknesses and vice versa.
If I were to guess in what way Fleury will be called upon, I'd say it's probably to take over a game for Vokoun if he gets in trouble and maybe start the next one. At that point, Fleury's play would dictate what happens next, in much the same way Vokoun's play the last two games have secured the starting spot for him; if Fleury plays well he may get more opportunities, and if not then Vokoun's leash is going to get even longer.
Every goalie has weaknesses dude. Even Patrick Roy was notably sub-par with his 5 hole. Give me the stabalizing rock who's not gonna make crazy 3 on 1 glove saves over the goalie who can make the save, but gives one up from outside the blue line on the next shift.
tfrizz wrote:Getting To My Game wrote:tfrizz wrote:Getting To My Game wrote:Fleury could give up 7 goals from Center Ice in Game 1 and people will still say that we need him for the East Finals.
There's a decent chance Fleury will be needed again, in some capacity, if the Penguins go far - if for no other reasons than his strengths (speed, reflexes, recovery, agility) are the primary weaknesses in Vokoun's game nowadays. You could see the Isles trying to attack Vokoun last night by forcing him to move laterally, but they put just about every chance wide.
Both goalies clearly have their weaknesses, and the Pens are fortunate enough that neither of them really share weaknesses; in fact, they almost mirror each other in those factors - Fleury's biggest strengths are Vokoun's weaknesses and vice versa.
If I were to guess in what way Fleury will be called upon, I'd say it's probably to take over a game for Vokoun if he gets in trouble and maybe start the next one. At that point, Fleury's play would dictate what happens next, in much the same way Vokoun's play the last two games have secured the starting spot for him; if Fleury plays well he may get more opportunities, and if not then Vokoun's leash is going to get even longer.
Every goalie has weaknesses dude. Even Patrick Roy was notably sub-par with his 5 hole. Give me the stabalizing rock who's not gonna make crazy 3 on 1 glove saves over the goalie who can make the save, but gives one up from outside the blue line on the next shift.
Be realistic here. It's been quite a while since Fleury's given up a goal from outside the blue line, and I don't even recall him giving up any weak ones from the point this season. Every bad goal he gave up in the series - and probably the regular season too - starts around or below the goal line in.
Antonio wrote:I don't get all the people who keep saying that Fleury will bounce back. I mean...in 2010 it was...oh hey, he will bounce back. In 2011, it was, oh hey, he will bounce back. In 2012, it was, oh hey, he will bounce back. In 2013, it is....you get the idea. Based on what exactly do people think this is going to happen?
Getting To My Game wrote:I engaged in hyperbole to prove my point. Fleury can make the unreal save, but it doesnt matter when he's proven so adept at giving up the soul-sucking one. After the Isles made it 3-2, Fleury would have crumbled.
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