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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:18 pm

That's a pretty unimpressive list. Only one who has made any sort of impact is O'Reilly, and he's not even playing in the league right now.
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby no name on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:20 pm

Unless you are drafting in the top 5 where your guy has a shot to start in the nhl his first season then you can go for need. Other wise i really fell best availible is the way to go. The best asset to your team is what you want. If you stock pile one position you can trade for the other.
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby Bowser on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:24 pm

Steve - Those were the players remaining that I liked from reading TSN, Faceoff Factor, NHL Scouting, Hockey's Future, McKeen's, etc.... used those rankings, articles to search videos of the players.
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby Bowser on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:29 pm

I'm not asking for another Crosby, Malkin or Staal.. but you can't have a team full of pluggers and right now beyond Sid, Gino, and Neal.... I'm not all that impressed with our collection of forwards in the NHL and really not with that list I posted. How many from 09-12 do you think will turn into productive NHL players? Pretty dangerous to think you are going to draft a pile of defensemen and turn them into forwards. No one wins every trade, not every pick pans out, and you still need to have quality defensemen on the team.

Who is going to be coming up to replace Cooke, Dupuis, Kunitz, Adams, Kennedy, Glass and Sutter in 2-3 years, someone from the 09-12 classes?
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby SolidSnake on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:34 pm

I 100% agree Bowser, unfortunately on this board there are too many "yes men" that think the Pens organization doesn't do anything wrong.
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby Bowser on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:37 pm

SolidSnake - Well the facts are the facts from 06-09... they've done a pathetic job at forward. Jury is out for 10-12 drafts but I'm not seeing much outside of Bennett at this point. Maybe a few guys that look like third line talents might edge their way to top six but someone is going to need to turn up the volume on the scoring sheet to do that.
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby columbia on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:37 pm

Bowser wrote:I'm not asking for another Crosby, Malkin or Staal.. but you can't have a team full of pluggers and right now beyond Sid, Gino, and Neal.... I'm not all that impressed with our collection of forwards in the NHL and really not with that list I posted. How many from 09-12 do you think will turn into productive NHL players? Pretty dangerous to think you are going to draft a pile of defensemen and turn them into forwards. No one wins every trade, not every pick pans out, and you still need to have quality defensemen on the team.

Who is going to be coming up to replace Cooke, Dupuis, Kunitz, Adams, Kennedy, Glass and Sutter in 2-3 years, someone from the 09-12 classes?


Well, half of the replacements will be acquired via trade or free agency.
The SC team was about half homegrown talent, as is the current roster.
I would expect that ratio to be similar in the future.
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby Bowser on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:40 pm

columbia - What players from 10-12 class are going to be ready for '13-14 and '14-15 seasons to replace guys like Kunitz, Dupuis, Cooke, Kennedy, Adams, Sutter, and Glass? I'd be surprised if anyone thinks those guys have a shelf life much longer than the next season or two, none that I really think are top six, yet right now Kunitz and Dupuis are getting those minutes.
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby columbia on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:41 pm

I don't follow the AHL or CHL, so no clue
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby Gaucho on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:42 pm

SolidSnake wrote:I 100% agree Bowser, unfortunately on this board there are too many "yes men" that think the Pens organization doesn't do anything wrong.


:thumb: Yes!
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby pens_CT on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:42 pm

Bowser wrote:.. but you can't have a team full of pluggers and right now beyond Sid, Gino, and Neal.... I'm not all that impressed with our collection of forwards in the NHL

The team that won the cup in 2009, who were the high end forwards beyond Sid, Geno and Staal? Fedostinko, Talbot, Satan, Sykora? Seems to me they had a bunch of pluggers and managed to win a cup with that mix of people. Must have been a fluke since that dumb a** Bylsma was coaching the team. :face:
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby Bowser on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:49 pm

pens_CT - This isn't a complaint about building a roster full of players drafted by the team, so don't even try to paint it as such.

The point is, the Penguins have no depth at forward and if they would lose a top six winger.. they've got nothing beyond a first year pro in Bennett and Megna. They have very little in the system. You need to stock pile talent in all positions because you never know what will happen and god forbid something happens to Crosby and his head again.

In two years, who from the 10-12 classes are going to be in the mix? Bennett and who else.... it is amazing, no one wants to debate saying x player has the skill set to go from a current third line plugger to potentially the top six. Guess I'll be waiting awhile for someone to tell me how they think the 10-12 classes are developing nicely and that 3-4 guys will be quality NHL players and will be better than what we've seen from the 06-09 classes (3 forwards).
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:53 pm

No one wants to debate because we aren't all armchair GM's who think we know better than everyone else.
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby pugilist13 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:54 pm

Since when?
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby Bowser on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:55 pm

pens_CT - This topic has nothing to do with Bylsma...
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby Bowser on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:56 pm

MRandall - laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame response. Enjoy that position of thinking you can't be a fan and not expect better from your team or have concerns about where it is going and how it will support the great talent (Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Fleury) on the roster.
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby columbia on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:59 pm

It seems like the best analysis would involve comparing the 10-12 classes to the cluster of teams that were drafting near the Pens during that time frame.

Which teams do you feel did much better than the Pens?
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby pens_CT on Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:00 pm

Bowser wrote:pens_CT - This isn't a complaint about building a roster full of players drafted by the team, so don't even try to paint it as such.

The point is, the Penguins have no depth at forward and if they would lose a top six winger.. they've got nothing beyond a first year pro in Bennett and Megna. They have very little in the system. You need to stock pile talent in all positions because you never know what will happen and god forbid something happens to Crosby and his head again.

In two years, who from the 10-12 classes are going to be in the mix? Bennett and who else.... it is amazing, no one wants to debate saying x player has the skill set to go from a current third line plugger to potentially the top six. Guess I'll be waiting awhile for someone to tell me how they think the 10-12 classes are developing nicely and that 3-4 guys will be quality NHL players and will be better than what we've seen from the 06-09 classes (3 forwards).

So if they lost a forward this year it would be a guy drafted in 2007/2009 who should be ready to fill in. Well the 2008 draft was mortgaged for Hossa and Gill. The top pick in 2007 (abeit a bust) was traded for Hossa. Not sure where these depth forwards are supposed to come from? Are we expected a 3rd round pick in 2007, or a 4th round pick in 2008 to be top six forward material?
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:01 pm

You're hilarious.

There's a difference between what you described, and how you act, you self-righteous *******
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby pugilist13 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:02 pm

It does make one think. Who does step up if you lose a couple of forwards? Bennett of course, but then who? Megna? Paul friggin Thompson?
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby SolidSnake on Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:02 pm

whoa calm down dude
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby pens2005 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:08 pm

Gaucho wrote:It's complete nonsense to rate the last 3, 4 drafts already.
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby Bowser on Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:10 pm

pens_CT - Yes, that's exactly what I expect. From the time the Pens selected Keven Veilleux in 2nd round, 51st overall in 2007, there have been 49 players drafted.

Of those 49 players, 34 were forwards. You might have heard of 5th Rd pick Jamie Benn and 6th Rd pick Carl Hagelin.

Round Num. Drafted By Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts
5 129 Dallas Jamie Benn L Victoria Grizzlies [BCHL] 224 70 91 161
2 61 Los Angeles Wayne Simmonds R Owen Sound Attack [OHL] 329 69 78 147
2 55 Colorado T.J. Galiardi W Dartmouth College [ECAC] 191 34 41 75
4 117 New Jersey Matt Halischuk R Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 127 20 23 43
2 58 Nashville Nick Spaling C Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 186 19 22 41
6 168 NY Rangers Carl Hagelin L Sodertalje Jrs [Sweden] 71 14 24 38
3 79 New Jersey Nick Palmieri R Erie Otters [OHL] 87 13 12 25
2 52 Los Angeles Oscar Moller C Chilliwack Bruins [WHL] 87 12 14 26
4 99 Toronto Matt Frattin R Fort Saskatchewan Traders [AJHL] 61 12 9 21
6 171 Pittsburgh Dustin Jeffrey C Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds [OHL] 69 12 9 21
3 71 Florida Evgeny Dadonov R Chelyabinsk Traktor [Russia] 55 10 10 20
3 72 Carolina Drayson Bowman L Spokane Chiefs [WHL] 74 8 8 16
4 97 Edmonton Linus Omark W Lulea HF [SEL] 65 8 22 30
6 173 San Jose Nick Bonino C Avon Old Farms H.S. (Conn.) 90 6 15 21
4 109 Los Angeles Dwight King C Lethbridge Hurricanes [WHL] 39 5 9 14
6 179 Buffalo Paul Byron C Gatineau Olympiques [QMJHL] 30 4 3 7
3 89 Buffalo Corey Tropp R Sioux Falls Stampede [USHL] 34 3 5 8
4 111 Pittsburgh Luca Caputi L Mississauga IceDogs [OHL] 35 3 6 9
2 56 Chicago Akim Aliu R Sudbury Wolves [OHL] 2 2 1 3
3 67 Atlanta Spencer Machacek R Vancouver Giants [WHL] 25 2 7 9
4 94 Columbus Maksim Mayorov L Leninogorsk (Russia) 22 2 1 3
5 140 Minnesota Cody Almond C Kelowna Rockets [WHL] 25 2 0 2
7 200 Minnesota Carson McMillan C Calgary Hitmen [WHL] 15 2 3 5
3 63 Anaheim Maxime Macenauer C Rouyn-Noranda Huskies [QMJHL] 29 1 3 4
5 144 Nashville Andreas Thuresson R Malmo IF [SEL] 25 1 2 3
6 152 Philadelphia Jon Kalinski L Minnesota State U - Mankato [WCHA] 22 1 4 5
6 167 Tampa Bay Johan Harju L Lulea HF [SEL] 10 1 2 3
7 203 San Jose Frazer McLaren L Portland Winter Hawks [WHL] 40 1 5 6
3 81 Nashville Ryan Thang R Notre Dame [CCHA] 1 0 0 0
3 88 Detroit Joakim Andersson C Frolunda Jrs (Sweden) 5 0 0 0
4 105 Colorado Bradley Malone F Sioux Falls Stampede [USHL] 10 0 2 2
4 112 Dallas Colton Sceviour R Portland Winter Hawks [WHL] 2 0 1 1
5 127 Edmonton Milan Kytnar C Topolcany (Slovakia) 1 0 0 0
6 161 Philadelphia Patrick Maroon L St. Louis Bandits [NAHL] 2 0 0 0
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby Bowser on Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:11 pm

MRandall - LOL, can't take the heat... go back to your mom's kitchen.
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Re: A Cold Draft on Penguins Prospect List

Postby columbia on Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:12 pm

That always seems like a pretty specious argument.
So it proves that 27 additional GMs were dumb (in relation to those two picks) too?
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