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Re: Tangradi v Boychuk for 13th F since Jeffrey is better

Postby Mr. Colby on Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:45 pm

13 games into the season and not one of the four linemates of 18 and 71 has registered a point while with them... think it's time to put 14 back there yet?
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Re: Tangradi v Boychuk for 13th F since Jeffrey is better

Postby MRandall25 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:49 pm

Mr. Colby wrote:13 games into the season and not one of the four linemates of 18 and 71 has registered a point while with them... think it's time to put 14 back there yet?


... and just pass the problem along to someone else?
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Re: Tangradi v Boychuk for 13th F since Jeffrey is better

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:52 pm

Mr. Colby wrote:13 games into the season and not one of the four linemates of 18 and 71 has registered a point while with them... think it's time to put 14 back there yet?


Why would it be time to put him back there?
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Re: Tangradi v Boychuk for 13th F since Jeffrey is better

Postby brwi on Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:53 pm

thepittman wrote:I haven't jumped of the Boychuk bandwagon yet, I still see good things from him. It's his first NHL season, there could be a lot of reason for a mediocre start.


It's certainly not his first NHL season. He had 72 games with the Canes before getting waived. Or do you mean this is the first time in his career he started Game 1 in the NHL? I know this was his first year to make the team going into opening night, but not sure what you're saying here.
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby Steve Dave on Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:45 pm

Boychuk's first season? He had 70 plus games going into this season. Yet people argue Tangradi had his chance because he played in 40 some games previously.
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby MRandall25 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:13 am

Steve Dave wrote:Boychuk's first season? He had 70 plus games going into this season. Yet people argue Tangradi had his chance because he played in 40 some games previously.


I will say, 70 games with the Hurricanes =/= 40 games with the Penguins.
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby ville5 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:17 am

They need to waive crosby and malkin. Letestu has as many goals as cros and 2 more than malk just sayin.
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby columbia on Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:24 am

Nealarovsky weighs in on the subject:
http://triblive.com/mobile/3461516-81/n ... in-boychuk
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Re: Tangradi v Boychuk for 13th F since Jeffrey is better

Postby thepittman on Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:46 am

brwi wrote:
thepittman wrote:I haven't jumped of the Boychuk bandwagon yet, I still see good things from him. It's his first NHL season, there could be a lot of reason for a mediocre start.


It's certainly not his first NHL season. He had 72 games with the Canes before getting waived. Or do you mean this is the first time in his career he started Game 1 in the NHL? I know this was his first year to make the team going into opening night, but not sure what you're saying here.

Nevermind then, I was thinking this was his first time up, carry on with the hate
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby RPKJr429 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:50 am

Kudos to whoever keeps changing the thread titles around. It makes rehashing these same arguments actually feel fresh and new.
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby Kaizer on Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:40 am

Steve Dave wrote:Boychuk's first season? He had 70 plus games going into this season. Yet people argue Tangradi had his chance because he played in 40 some games previously.


at least boychuk showed some of the skills it takes to play in the NHL in that time. Tangradi has barely shown the skills it takes to be a movie theater usher.
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby Kovy27 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:19 am

Steve Dave wrote:Boychuk's first season? He had 70 plus games going into this season. Yet people argue Tangradi had his chance because he played in 40 some games previously.


Are you Eric Tangradi?
Tell me some of the positives that ET has done. He fought Matt Martin in NY...oh wait, he got a concussion. That's probably his only positive thing he has done in his career.
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby tfrizz on Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:32 am

Kovy27 wrote:Tell me some of the positives that ET has done. He fought Matt Martin in NY...oh wait, he got a concussion. That's probably his only positive thing he has done in his career.


That's where you enter catch 22 territory. He doesn't have the speed or physical game to work on the 4th line, and never gets more than a few shifts with Malkin or Crosby before being put on the 4th line.

He was also never put in a position for success based on what he's done with WBS - produce on the PP. His 6 PP goals still leads WBS, outside of Kolarik who had 7 for the CT Whale, and accounts for 60% of his goals in the AHL this season. I'm not saying he should've been trust onto the 1st unit, but it couldn't have hurt to give him some shifts on the 2nd one.

So, what it boils down to is that Tangradi's game doesn't fit Bylsma's system and the one area where he'd be in the best position for some success (PP) he never got a shot at.
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby JS© on Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:35 am

The only thing I've noticed from Tangradi is terrible play along the boards and soft play in general. For somebody who is 6' 4" 225, he plays softer than Kevin Hatcher.
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:50 am

Ironically, it sounds like Tangradi is the forward version of LGP's view of Ryan Whitney.
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby Kovy27 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:58 am

Idoit40fans wrote:Ironically, it sounds like Tangradi is the forward version of LGP's view of Ryan Whitney.


You mean the Ryan Whitney who has been eating nachos for the Oilers?
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby Penspal on Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:45 am

Kovy27 wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Ironically, it sounds like Tangradi is the forward version of LGP's view of Ryan Whitney.


You mean the Ryan Whitney who has been eating nachos for the Oilers?


Yeah, but they are playing Whitney on the wrong side. There are two sides to every argument. :P

I've said all along, that the Pens should be looking for a Kunitz type of player to play on the Malkin line. I stiil think grabbing Boychuk was a good idea, but UNLESS he/that line turns the corner soon, its time for someone new on Geno's line. No surprise that new NHL players (near rookies ) struggle under the pressure to be on the 2nd line (1b).
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby stonewizard51 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:11 pm

At this point I'm willing to give Boychuk some benefit of the doubt. He hasn't been a Pen that long and maybe needs a little more time to adjust. I'm just thinking it took Neal a till the end of the season after the trade to adjust. Tangradi has played the system for a few of years now and still hasn't made the adjustment.
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby Kovy27 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:10 pm

I guess this got answered...and your winner: ZACH BOYCHUK by trade.
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby AlexPKeaton on Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:16 pm

Can't teach speed!
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby tfrizz on Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:56 pm

AlexPKeaton wrote:Can't teach speed!


Well... you can. It just takes a ton of work at improving your skating, leg strength, agility, and conditioning.

John Tavares is a good example. His skating has improved 10-fold since entering the NHL.
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby The Snapshot on Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:18 pm

tfrizz wrote:
AlexPKeaton wrote:Can't teach speed!


Well... you can. It just takes a ton of work at improving your skating, leg strength, agility, and conditioning.

John Tavares is a good example. His skating has improved 10-fold since entering the NHL.


And that is what is so frustrating about Tangardi. He knows that everyone in the Hockey world is talking about this being the year where he is going to be given an opportunity to fail or succeed on Malkin's wing, he and others mention that he needs to improve his skating and yet he comes to the WBS camp no faster or stronger on his skates.

His conditioning is worse than any player I have seen in quite some time as well.

So, that along with his reticence to play angry tell me all I need to know about how much he "wants it". Tavares is a guy who is a great competitor and who knew the only thing that could hold him back. Tangradi, for all of his other shortcomings, would have an NHL job for quite some time if he just improved his skating and used his size.
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby pcm on Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:48 pm

AlexPKeaton wrote:Can't teach speed!


Konstantin Kolstov!
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:00 am

Kovy27 wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Ironically, it sounds like Tangradi is the forward version of LGP's view of Ryan Whitney.


You mean the Ryan Whitney who has been eating nachos for the Oilers?


Pretty much that exactly, yes.
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Re: Boygradi vs Tanchuk: Who will be waived?

Postby Penspal on Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:51 am

RPKJr429 wrote:Kudos to whoever keeps changing the thread titles around. It makes rehashing these same arguments actually feel fresh and new.


:thumb:

Keep both.

vs speedy teams, use Boychuk, otherwise you Jeffrey.

With so many games over a short time, using ALL your bench is wise beyond words.
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