UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby Defence21 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:45 pm

MRandall25 wrote:I don't think playing the 2nd line with Jagr and Benn is a "reduced" role.

He was on the fourth line for a few games this season. That is a reduced role. He's playing 15:25 per game compared to 17:02 last season and 19:14 the year before. That is a reduced role. His power play ice time is up from last year -- but that's it. It's clear he's not playing the role he once had in terms of time on ice. But also, as I said, he no longer serves the role of the face of the franchise.

But, even with his reduced role, he still has 5 goals and 5 assists for 10 points in 20 games. That doesn't define his overall game, but it shows he's still capable of contributing to the scoresheet.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby The U on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:46 pm

Something will be done, unlike last year.

The core is getting older and more expensive... the time is now. After three failed postseasons Bylsma has to win a series to keep his job and Shero would start to receive some more criticism. Biggest deadline of his career IMO.

We are far from perfect but the East is wide open and we can win it.

We do not need "one small tweak". We literally need 3 or 4 additions between now and April 3.

2 forwards. One to upgrade scoring line and one to upgrade bottom six. Our 3rd line has no identity or chemistry which is huge in the playoffs. Eventually a 3rd line of Cooke-Sutter-Dupuis is ideal. Looked great earlier this week. Dupuis only moves down if he is replace by a scoring winger.

Adding one scoring wing upgrades line 1 and line 3 and PP2.

A bottom six F addition would upgrade size/toughness/speed on line 4 in a perfect world. This would bump PK specialist Adams into the press box perhaps. I'm ok with that.

Adding a Dman is the other move. Having said that, crease clearing physical play from the defense is something you look to add on deadline day....adding a dman pushes Engel to the press box so are we simply breaking even? Last guy not named Engel to fight or land a big hit on D was who? Need more warriors in the playoffs, not less.

Overall these 3 or 4 moves push Bennett out during playoffs which is fine. TK gets traded. 2 dmen in the roster will be impacted. One gets traded and one benched during playoffs.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby Rylan on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:49 pm

I don't expect a major shake up or deal. I expect maybe 1 to 2 player and that be it. Probably trade guys not in the everyday lineup and will probably look to move a young defenseman. TK will stay, unless required to be moved, and most of the current team stays. Just a guess though.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby JoseCuervo on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:52 pm

Morrow has been up and down the line-up and has played 3rd line a lot. He also gets very little PP time compared to previous seasons. I certainly agree that Morrow isn't near as good as he once was and he certainly has flaws, but he can be had at a reduced price because of that.

If they're going to add the best fit for this team at the deadline, the price is going to be steep (and likely too steep). It's not worth selling the farm to get a rental player this year. I mean, I'd much rather have Glencross for a few years on this team, but realistically it is going to cost a lot and I doubt Calgary wants to trade him.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby The U on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:55 pm

Only 1 team in the entire league is more than 4 points out of a playoff spot. Everyone being in contention killed the trade market last year. Keep that in mind.

If Calgary is 8th in the West you're not getting Iginla. If Dallas is 6th in their conference and in the playoffs they're not trading anybody either. Gotta hope some of these teams fade if you want their guys.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby Sams_Dog on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:59 pm

I'd love to see the Pens swing a deal for Morrow. I think he would be great for them. And if get could throw in Robidas that would be even better.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby Caputi19 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:19 pm

1. Iginla
2. Clutterbuck
3. Boyes
4. Physical dman
5. Glencross
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby pcm on Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:47 pm

I would love Iginla, and the chatter from guys like Lebrun is starting to talk it up. Iginla's price would be one of our top d prospects and a 1st. If that's Pouliout, Maatta, or Doumoulin, then yes. Despres, Harrington, or Morrow and I'd have to really see where this team is at and if adding Iginla makes them a favorite.

I think Morrow would be better value. We could get him for at most a 2nd, or Kennedy or such. He's the same age as Kunitz. This team doesn't need speed. It needs presence. And Morrow brings that in loads, even as his game slows down.

Adding a top 6 winger also bumps Dupuis down to the 3rd line, improving our bottom 6 significantly.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby SCrosby87 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:50 pm

The U wrote:Something will be done, unlike last year.

The core is getting older and more expensive... the time is now. After three failed postseasons Bylsma has to win a series to keep his job and Shero would start to receive some more criticism. Biggest deadline of his career IMO.

We are far from perfect but the East is wide open and we can win it.

We do not need "one small tweak". We literally need 3 or 4 additions between now and April 3.

2 forwards. One to upgrade scoring line and one to upgrade bottom six. Our 3rd line has no identity or chemistry which is huge in the playoffs. Eventually a 3rd line of Cooke-Sutter-Dupuis is ideal. Looked great earlier this week. Dupuis only moves down if he is replace by a scoring winger.

Adding one scoring wing upgrades line 1 and line 3 and PP2.

A bottom six F addition would upgrade size/toughness/speed on line 4 in a perfect world. This would bump PK specialist Adams into the press box perhaps. I'm ok with that.

Adding a Dman is the other move. Having said that, crease clearing physical play from the defense is something you look to add on deadline day....adding a dman pushes Engel to the press box so are we simply breaking even? Last guy not named Engel to fight or land a big hit on D was who? Need more warriors in the playoffs, not less.

Overall these 3 or 4 moves push Bennett out during playoffs which is fine. TK gets traded. 2 dmen in the roster will be impacted. One gets traded and one benched during playoffs.


Couldn't agree more. This team will not win the cup without 3-4 additions (unless we get another star player)
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby columbia on Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:53 pm

I'm just afraid that Shero doesn't see it as a personnel issue. Maybe I'm wrong and he's working the phones right now. I hope so.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby Pavel Bure on Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:59 pm

columbia wrote:I'm just afraid that Shero doesn't see it as a personnel issue. Maybe I'm wrong and he's working the phones right now. I hope so.

Somehow I think Shero is a guy that is always trying to get better and is never satisfied.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby Nizzy on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:19 pm

Pominville + Regehr

Niskanen, Kennedy, Maatta, First
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby Defence21 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:28 pm

Nizzy wrote:Pominville + Regehr

Niskanen, Kennedy, Maatta, First

I don't know much of Pominville's situation in Buffalo, but that's a team that's in transition, so it wouldn't seem out of the question that he gets traded. I'm just not sure giving up a legit prospect and a first rounder would be worth getting him.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby Gaucho on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:32 pm

Pavel Bure wrote:
columbia wrote:I'm just afraid that Shero doesn't see it as a personnel issue. Maybe I'm wrong and he's working the phones right now. I hope so.

Somehow I think Shero is a guy that is always trying to get better and is never satisfied.


I agree. Both RS and DB know very well that they need to upgrade the personnel in certain areas.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby mikey287 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:33 pm

How does that help Buffalo at all? Not that they really love Regehr, but adding another hard-shooting offensive, d-man (they already have those in spades) and a worker bee that they don't need...they had two first round picks last year and didn't spend either of them on Maatta despite two chances to...I just don't see why they would do this...

I guess they would counter with...

Letang + Kennedy for T.J. Brennan, Jochen Hecht, Jake McCabe and a 1st.

EDIT: Unless Buffalo goes through a serious, serious makeover...I'm not sure why they would move Pominville...and even if they did, they could probably do better than Maatta and a 1st...
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby thepittman on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:44 pm

Pominville brings in fans at buffalo, it would be a rough pickup
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby Pitts on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:52 pm

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Pitts wrote:If Malkin is out for much longer, I expect Stephen Weiss to be a Pen soon. Although, for some reason (groin?), he's having a bad season so far. But, he is 2nd line center material.

I've been on the Iginla train since last season.

I like Weiss in a vacuum as a player to compliment our stars, and the fact that he's a natural center capable of playing wing only makes him more desirable. But I feel this team is approaching the "soff" label it once had. That might be an exaggeration, as Kunitz, Cooke, Orpik, Letang, and Glass skate regular shifts, but I'd rather see some bigger bodies with a little snarl find their way to Pittsburgh, as the playoffs aren't for the faint of heart. Guys like Weiss and P-M Bouchard are quality players who would be welcomed additions in my book -- if there was a bit more snarl up and down the lineup. That said, don't think for a second I'd be disappointed with a Weiss addition...but I'd be pulling for someone else to balance him out.

So, Weiss and Clutterbuck then?
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby Henry Hank on Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:42 pm

I really don't get why a top six winger is the most pressing need. They are scoring plenty of goals.

The most pressing need is to improve the PK. They have a bad PK unit and it's the single biggest reason they are just average in terms of GAA. It was also the single biggest reason they got beat by the Flyers last year. Coaching may be an issue there too but I don't think the personnel they have on the PK is very strong right now, particularly on D.

I'd hope they are looking for guys who can help them there long before they are considering a big trade for an Iginla. They need to worry about giving up less goals, not scoring more.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby columbia on Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:49 pm

Is there anyone in WBS who could spell Adams on the PK and hold their own on the 4th line?
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby Kraftster on Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:49 pm

Agreed. I don't know why there is a big push to move Dupuis down into the bottom six. He's extremely productive right where he is. Acquire the bottom six help needed and leave Dupuis where he is. The teams needs definitely relate more to goal prevention than anything else.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby shmenguin on Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:57 pm

some team gave that michalek guy away for nothing last year. if only we could sniff out a deal like that for acquiring a PK specialist.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby pcm on Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:11 pm

Ah yes, the Pens need help keeping the puck out of the net, so it must be a defenseman they need... We don't need help scoring, so why add a forward? Very creative, in depth hockey analysis going on there... Except that their forwards are unable to sustain pressure necessary to play the type of hockey that Blysma has them playing. I'm sure our defense would be a lot better at defense if they weren't up ice all the time. I'm also sure our PK would be a lot better if wasn't worn down from being out there more than 26 other teams (Total PK TOI).

So we could change the coach and the system and try and find a whole new way to play that would fit these players in the middle of a shortened season. Or we could bring in a guy who can add (1) a veteran presence to calm the boys down (reduce penalties), (2) grit in the offensive zone to help this team play effectively the system Blysma has them playing, (3) another top 6 winger so that we have 2 effective scoring lines to build pressure / momentum up ice, so that we don't rely on our defense for offense so much.

Adding an Iginla or Morrow will accomplish all of this with one acquisition.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby The U on Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:17 pm

pcm wrote:Ah yes, the Pens need help keeping the puck out of the net, so it must be a defenseman they need... We don't need help scoring, so why add a forward? Very creative, in depth hockey analysis going on there... Except that their forwards are unable to sustain pressure necessary to play the type of hockey that Blysma has them playing. I'm sure our defense would be a lot better at defense if they weren't up ice all the time. I'm also sure our PK would be a lot better if wasn't worn down from being out there more than 26 other teams (Total PK TOI).

So we could change the coach and the system and try and find a whole new way to play that would fit these players in the middle of a shortened season. Or we could bring in a guy who can add (1) a veteran presence to calm the boys down (reduce penalties), (2) grit in the offensive zone to help this team play effectively the system Blysma has them playing, (3) another top 6 winger so that we have 2 effective scoring lines to build pressure / momentum up ice, so that we don't rely on our defense for offense so much.

Adding an Iginla or Morrow will accomplish all of this with one acquisition.


Yes. Then on top of this you add a faster or bigger 4th liner who can give you more than Adams can 5-on-5. You add two guys and upgrade line 1,3,4,PP2.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby Henry Hank on Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:22 pm

I don't buy it. They had better forward depth last spring with Staal and even Sullivan still around and all of these issues still existed. The last thing they need is to add more offense to make this more of an offensively focused team. They need guys with character who play smart and responsible hockey. For better or worse, they're not changing coaches or changing their playing style. The only hope is to bring in some guys who can help settle down the way the team plays. A few smart additions to the 3rd/4th lines and D would make a far bigger impact than a dream addition of a big name scorer. That'd be a Washington Capitals move, which, well, would be appropriate unfortunately.
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Re: UFA targets at the Trade Deadline?

Postby The U on Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:28 pm

Henry Hank wrote:I don't buy it. They had better forward depth last spring with Staal and even Sullivan still around and all of these issues still existed. The last thing they need is to add more offense to make this more of an offensively focused team. They need guys with character who play smart and responsible hockey. For better or worse, they're not changing coaches or changing their playing style. The only hope is to bring in some guys who can help settle down the way the team plays. A few smart additions to the 3rd/4th lines and D would make a far bigger impact than a dream addition of a big name scorer. That'd be a Washington Capitals move, which, well, would be appropriate unfortunately.


I don't disagree. Either path that Shero takes would have sound logic behind it.

With 13 million to spend and the need to make a run, I see a bigger splash coming.
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