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Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby Gaucho on Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:37 am

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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby Gaucho on Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:38 am

inb4 FORSBERG!!!!1
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby mikey287 on Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:45 am

1) Why re-rank a draft after 6 more months of playing time?
2) I don't - nor do some of the inside people I talk to - agree with some of those placements
3) If you average out our two picks, it looks like we got perfect value :lol: I mean, :scared:
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby Gaucho on Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:59 am

mikey287 wrote:1) Why re-rank a draft after 6 more months of playing time?


Just because they can, I guess.
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby mikey287 on Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:04 pm

Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one I suppose. They aren't that much better off ranking them now than they were the day before the draft really...but it's interesting I suppose, why not...
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby DelPen on Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:44 pm

Maatta was a very good pick at #22 but Forsberg or Grigorenko should have been taken ahead of Pouliot even without any hindsight. On a team that has zero forward prospects besides Beau Bennett that should have been a no-brainer.
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby MRandall25 on Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:51 pm

Oh no, Forsberg talk again?

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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby Great58 on Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:52 pm

On a team that has zero forward prospects besides Beau Bennett that should have been a no-brainer.

We passed on the winger, Washington passed on the defensive prospect. Seems about right.
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby mikey287 on Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:20 pm

MRandall25 wrote:Oh no, Forsberg talk again?

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Hope there's one bullet left in there for me...
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby IMFC on Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:24 pm

"More than a few of scouts have . . ."

Based on the first 7 words this have been wrote by a someone who am not be qualified to be read by me.
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby sil on Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:26 pm

mikey287 wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:Oh no, Forsberg talk again?

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Hope there's one bullet left in there for me...


shoulda stood behind him
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby Jesse on Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:50 pm

Some people might argue that if you don't have any forward prospects that are major league caliber, and you add Filip Forsberg, you still don't have any forward prospects that are major league caliber.

And the premise of this article makes me :face: .
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby Pucks_and_Pols on Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:05 pm

forget Forsberg, based on my extensive scouting of this class (drinking a bunch of beer and watching the world junior games to cope with lockout withdrawl) i wish the pens would have drafted Jacob Troubda. and now this list vindicates that preference.
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby owtahear on Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:15 pm

DelPen wrote:Maatta was a very good pick at #22 but Forsberg or Grigorenko should have been taken ahead of Pouliot even without any hindsight. On a team that has zero forward prospects besides Beau Bennett that should have been a no-brainer.


I agree. Hey, Pouillot could turn out to be the next Letang....but a top 10 pick which is such a rarity, on a franchise with a dearth of forward prospects and depth on defense, I am still trying to figure out why we went in this direction.
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby Cr@zy871 on Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:17 pm

Pucks_and_Pols wrote:forget Forsberg, based on my extensive scouting of this class (drinking a bunch of beer and watching the world junior games to cope with lockout withdrawl) i wish the pens would have drafted Jacob Troubda. and now this list vindicates that preference.


He was a BEAST for the US of A during the WJC's... I think everyone will be happy with our picks once they either A.) Develop into NHL players, or B.) Are used as poker chips to acquire another BEAST!!! :fist:
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby meecrofilm on Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:06 pm

Pucks_and_Pols wrote:forget Forsberg, based on my extensive scouting of this class (drinking a bunch of beer and watching the world junior games to cope with lockout withdrawl) i wish the pens would have drafted Jacob Troubda. and now this list vindicates that preference.


Trouba was the one player I wanted ahead of Pouliot when we took him, but I'm fine with DP, he's had a very good year at Portland and had a good showing at the WJC camp as well.
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby k0la on Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:55 am

14+15=29 < 8+22=30 = Profit!

The math I just did is about as useful as that article was
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby DelPen on Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:28 am

owtahear wrote:
DelPen wrote:Maatta was a very good pick at #22 but Forsberg or Grigorenko should have been taken ahead of Pouliot even without any hindsight. On a team that has zero forward prospects besides Beau Bennett that should have been a no-brainer.


I agree. Hey, Pouillot could turn out to be the next Letang....but a top 10 pick which is such a rarity, on a franchise with a dearth of forward prospects and depth on defense, I am still trying to figure out why we went in this direction.


Only thing I can see is Shero has direct experience turning young offensive defensemen into power forwards who are already developed through trades.

Would anyone be against trading Pouliot for Iginla even if he didn't resign this summer? That would essentially be Staal, who was leaving anyways, for Iginla, Sutter and Dumoulin. Frankly getting Sutter and Dumoulin alone for Staal would have been a good traded looking at the 2013-14 roster.
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby Froggy on Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:39 am

If one dimensional turds like Whitney and Goligoski can fetch Kunitz and Neal, imagine what an actually GOOD defenseman would get in return
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby bigkam on Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:42 am

I like the strategy of taking the best player available in the draft, regardless of position. If the plan is to use the high number of defense prospects to make solid trades down the road, then I'm fine with how we have drafted.

Count me in the group that thinks re-ranking 6 months after a draft is just plain retarded.
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby DelPen on Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:57 am

bigkam wrote:I like the strategy of taking the best player available in the draft, regardless of position. If the plan is to use the high number of defense prospects to make solid trades down the road, then I'm fine with how we have drafted.

Count me in the group that thinks re-ranking 6 months after a draft is just plain retarded.


Re-ranking aside, Pouliot then and now wasn't even close to being the BPA. Maata was ranked higher than him in the final rankings. But the organization must have really liked what they saw when scouting and checking up on Morrow to take Pouliot.

I know, there's more to just drafting then taking who everyone thinks will be the best player but at #8 there were other needs that should have been filled with Forsberg or Grigorenko.
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby Rylan on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:01 am

Who...cares...anymore? What done is done, there is no use fretting about it.
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Re: Scouts re-rank 2012 draft

Postby mikey287 on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:04 am

DelPen wrote:
bigkam wrote:I like the strategy of taking the best player available in the draft, regardless of position. If the plan is to use the high number of defense prospects to make solid trades down the road, then I'm fine with how we have drafted.

Count me in the group that thinks re-ranking 6 months after a draft is just plain retarded.


Re-ranking aside, Pouliot then and now wasn't even close to being the BPA.


Just because we keep repeating this, doesn't make it anymore true.

I really should have stood behind MRandall...
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