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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby TheHammer24 on Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:54 pm

I don't really consider Crosby a prospect. But players considered prospects since Crosby, you'd have to consider Letang and Staal better prospects than Despres.
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Shakes on Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:59 pm

Best Penguins prospects since Crosby:

Letang
Staal
Pouliot
Depres
Bennett
Morrow
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Desiato on Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:14 pm

I remember the same kind of optimism about Dave Roche after he had 9 points in 16 playoff games in '96. It happens to a portion of every fanbase in every sport every time a new or young player shows potential.

Despres looks great for his age, but he's not there yet. Putting him on a pedestal too early will only hurt his confidence via unrealistic expectations. I like how the Pens are pacing his development and playing him when he has a good opportunity to succeed and build confidence.

Realistically, it'll probably be a bumpy road different factors interplay. For example, as his game improves, he'll have to learn to deal with pressure from greater expectations and increased scrutiny from other teams. As he logs more minutes in more consecutive games, he'll have to learn to play more efficiently. His performance on ice will also be impacted by how his personal life develops.
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Rocco on Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:27 pm

JS© wrote:
headh wrote:Pittsburgh owns a 15-4 record when Despres suits up this season and a mark of 4-4 when he doesn't play. The source is Post Gazette.

I am not a hockey expert but I don't see any current defensemen on the Penguin roster with a better overall game. Obviously Letang is the best offensively but my eyes tell me that Depres has zero glaring weaknesses and possesses many strengths.

At 6' 4" 215 lbs he may be the biggest guy on the team. He makes excellent decisions with the puck. He makes great passes. He handles the puck as well as any both in his own end and on the rush. He makes excellent decisions about wether to join the rush or stay at home. He is aggressive at pinching in without compromising on discipline.

What exactly can't this guy do?


Get in the lineup

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I bet if Despres grew a beard, he could trick Bylsma into thinking Despres is old and scrappy and gritty.
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Big Easy Pens Fan on Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:40 pm

When does one evolve from "prospect" to "player"? Or go from "prospect" to "suspect" to "not-gonna-happen"? I don't think that Letang or Stall can still be considered "prospects" any more. To me they are "players" now. As far as the 2nd question, I think we can now inject propel Eric Tangradi into the "not-gonna-happen" slot.

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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby penny lane on Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:41 pm

Gaucho wrote:
Pitts wrote:Malkin was never really a prospect.


:?:


He and Sid were a given, absolute, a no doubt about it... 8-)
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Gaucho on Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:42 pm

penny lane wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
Pitts wrote:Malkin was never really a prospect.


:?:


He and Sid were a given, absolute, a no doubt about it... 8-)


So was Alexandre Daigle. :wink:
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby penny lane on Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:44 pm

^ :P got me there Gaucho!
Still can't believe he play in pgh!
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Big Easy Pens Fan on Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:46 pm

If Malkin was EVER considered a prospect, that ended after his 6th game as a Penguin (with a goal in each of his 1st 6 games). There was no doubt after that that he was a player.

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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby columbia on Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:48 pm

Malkin was a terrorist, not a prospect.
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby NeddieVedder on Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:49 pm

I wasn't sure if the title meant best prospect since Crosby arrived or best prospect since Crosby was a prospect, but either way, hang on, bruv.
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Big Easy Pens Fan on Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:51 pm

columbia wrote:Malkin was a terrorist, not a prospect.


Yea, you right columbia! :fist:

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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Shakes on Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:00 pm

They were all prospects once. In the sense that someone, somewhere saw them and thought, "Hey, you might be able to play hockey."

Is it 7:30 yet?
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Puck Drama on Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:41 pm

Desiato wrote:
Despres looks great for his age, but he's not there yet. Putting him on a pedestal too early will only hurt his confidence via unrealistic expectations.


Yes cause we all know a message board thread will ruin a prospect.
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Big Easy Pens Fan on Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:41 pm

It's currently 7:43PM on King Edward Island, in the South Atlantic.

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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby DudeMan2766 on Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:45 pm

Big Easy Pens Fan wrote:It's currently 7:43PM on King Edward Island, in the South Atlantic.

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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Nizzy on Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:54 pm

MRandall25 wrote:I think it's pure coincidence the team's record is better when he plays. Just like how the team is undefeated with Mark Eaton.

Cool stat? Sure. Does it mean anything? Not really.


15-4 doesn't mean anything? LOL!!!!

Simon Despres is *currently* the 3rd best defensive player in the ENTIRE PENGUINS ORGANIZATION.

1. Letang
2. Martin
3. Despres

Orpik has been very shaky this entire season. Niskanen isn't as good as Despres. Eaton was bottom pair when we won the cup, and on his last legs of his career.

Instead we have this career 4th line scrub coach with his 1 and only system play that only wins in the playoffs with a sick defense rotating him on the same level as Engelland and Eaton. Makes me want to puke.
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Nizzy on Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:55 pm

To answer this thread, its No. The best since Crosby is Letang or Staal the previous year after that. I'm just amazing how Despres is almost in Bylsma's dog house. But lets use that Engelland guy, because well, he can fight once or twice a year!!! He can't clear the crease, and Despres does everything else better already, but lets just keep using him!!

GET TO IT

LMAO - BYLSMA
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Mr. Colby on Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:04 pm

So we're 19-8? Does not compute.
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Henry Hank on Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:06 pm

The record with and without Despres argument needs to be shot and buried. It's such a shallow observation. It's correlation, not causation, in a small sample size. Take that one out to the back, along with the idea that he's getting scratched every night.

Despres is a nice prospect and will hopefully be a big player at D for the Pens. I predict he will follow in the footsteps of Whitney and Goligoski as a guy who everyone loves when he first comes up but once he plays more he'll be exposed more and the group think will turn on him.
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Froggy on Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:06 pm

BUT HE WAS A 4TH LINER AND THAT MEANS SOMETHING BECAUSE BOBBY ORR, MARIO LEMIEUX AND GORDIE HOWE ARE ALL GREAT NHL COACHES! AND SCRATCHING DESPRES HAS LED TO US LOSING LIKE 17-0 THE LAST FEW GAMES! THESE ARE TOTALLY VALID COMPLAINTS!
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby MRandall25 on Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:07 pm

Nizzy wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:I think it's pure coincidence the team's record is better when he plays. Just like how the team is undefeated with Mark Eaton.

Cool stat? Sure. Does it mean anything? Not really.


15-4 doesn't mean anything? LOL!!!!


Someone doesn't understand elementary statistics.
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Gaucho on Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:21 pm

Despres is not in DB's doghouse. At all.
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby Geezer on Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:07 pm

Sustr is the best prospect since Sid
And Ingala is gonna be our Stanley cup MVP
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Re: Is Simon Depres the best prospect since Crosby

Postby MRandall25 on Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:34 pm

Correlation does not equal causation. Use your brain for once.
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