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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby shmenguin on Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:21 pm

beachinit wrote:
shmenguin wrote:TK centering the top line seems pretty silly on the surface, but the alternatives aren't really that exciting. jeffrey has cemented himself as being pretty lousy, vitale isn't anything, and while sutter is obviously a much better center than kennedy, he could use some time to gel with his line.

if DB thinks kennedy can handle himself at both ends of the rink, then go for it. you're not losing much, and you have dupuis as "200 foot insurance".



WTH are you watching? Dustin Jeffrey's forechecking has been great especially in the corners, he also created some good scoring chances; although the puck never found the back of the net. Vitale wins critical faceoffs and isnt scared to go to the corners and grind. . Kennedy is horrible in the faceoff circle, an average puck passer but does have a shot (or at least likes to shoot the puck anytime he can). For now plan to see Sutter on the top line with Vitale and Jeffrey centering the 3rd and 4th.


Irony: asks "WTH are you watching?". follows that with praise of dustin jeffrey.

kennedy's faceoff numbers by year:
2009: 53.8
2010: 42.2
2011: 45
2012: 47.2
2013: 56.2

this year is a small sample, so you can ditch that if you want. what you're left with is someone who will likely get you mid-to-high 40's. not great, but certainly not horrible.
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Re: Crysby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:23 pm

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MRandall25 wrote:People realize Kennedy was centering them for the majority of Saturday's game, right? Right?

And that line did nothing offensively.


You expect Dupuis and Kunitz to contribute offensively without one of Crosby or Malkin as their center?
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby Froggy on Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:26 pm

And what did Neal produce with Jeffery as his center? It really doesn't matter who fills in. The line is probably gonna be butt. But Geno's line and Sutter's line need to learn how to play together. That's what is important
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby taz71 on Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:26 pm

Shero said “Jeffrey is probably playing the best hockey of his career.”

also "Bylsma ... did stress right winger Tyler Kennedy, drafted as a center, was likely not an option to work the middle."

Read more: http://triblive.com/sports/penguins/374 ... z2PFFbbCrf

I bet on Jeffrey taking Sids spot moving them to the second line.
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby KBone on Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:26 pm

GDR wrote:the Leafs are getting a chuckle out of it too apparently -

@kevin_mcgran Carlyle on Crosby's broken jaw: "Is that the hockey gods sending a message?"


Real classy!
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby shmenguin on Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:33 pm

taz71 wrote:Shero said “Jeffrey is probably playing the best hockey of his career.”

also "Bylsma ... did stress right winger Tyler Kennedy, drafted as a center, was likely not an option to work the middle."

Read more: http://triblive.com/sports/penguins/374 ... z2PFFbbCrf

I bet on Jeffrey taking Sids spot moving them to the second line.


none of the options are too warm and fuzzy. if it's jeffrey, then i can't really complain, even though he's lousy.
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby JoseCuervo on Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:37 pm

Jeffrey plays smart and solid in both the offensive and defensive zone. He lacks speed though and isn't very effective in generating offense off the rush. I think his lack of speed would cause problems trying to keep up between zones with kunitz and dupuis as opposed to TK; however, Jeffrey would likely be more effective at center in both the offensive and defensive zone when there is maintained possession. Trade-offs for using both players since neither is a top center nor are they ever going to be. That top line is built off speed, though.
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby Rylan on Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:38 pm

Jeffrey has more creativity as a center. He has more top end potential than TK.
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby Rocco on Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:40 pm

Rylan wrote:Jeffrey has more creativity as a center. He has more top end potential than TK.


Kennedy's creativity begins and ends with "I'm in the offensive zone, can I shoot here?" It's not a high bar.
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby Froggy on Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:46 pm

Rylan wrote:Jeffrey has more creativity as a center. He has more top end potential than TK.

Yes. It was very creative how he made James Neal invisible for 9 games. He's a real magician out there
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby shmenguin on Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:46 pm

Rylan wrote:Jeffrey has more creativity as a center. He has more top end potential than TK.


jeffrey is more skilled, and has more potential, but that's nothing to write home about - TK is a 100% known commodity at this point. if he can't increase his athleticism, then his potential as a playmaker is irrelevant. you can't be effective in the NHL with his strength and skating ability.
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby JeffDFD on Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:49 pm

Rocco wrote:
Rylan wrote:Jeffrey has more creativity as a center. He has more top end potential than TK.


Kennedy's creativity begins and ends with "I'm in the offensive zone, shoot here!" It's not a high bar.


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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby relantel on Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:54 pm

Josh Yohe ‏@JoshYohe_Trib 34s Crosby continues to be in good spirits. Don't be surprised to see him back before the regular season ends.
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby Rocco on Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:59 pm

relantel wrote:
Josh Yohe ‏@JoshYohe_Trib 34s Crosby continues to be in good spirits. Don't be surprised to see him back before the regular season ends.


Of course. The Pens can sense some panic on the team and in the fanbase and found a sympathetic journalist to peddle their spin.
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby littlemoonboot on Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:00 pm

Hey at least it wasn't from Rossi. #hope
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby relantel on Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:01 pm

littlemoonboot wrote:Hey at least it wasn't from Rossi. #hope

I admit I thought this too.
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby penny lane on Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:24 pm

Rocco wrote:
relantel wrote:
Josh Yohe ‏@JoshYohe_Trib 34s Crosby continues to be in good spirits. Don't be surprised to see him back before the regular season ends.


Of course. The Pens can sense some panic on the team and in the fanbase and found a sympathetic journalist to peddle their spin.


It's the drugs talking. :P

Renaud says Sid remains in the hospital. They can take care of him best.
Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS 9m Sidney Crosby still in a Pittsburgh hospital. #penguins #RDS
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby taz71 on Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:39 pm

Tocchet broke his jaw and missed like one or 2 games also dropped the gloves and fought twice before it healed lol. Interview today on Pens radio was hilarious
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby Admin on Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:41 pm

Tocchet played in the same game he broke his jaw and scored twice.
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby taz71 on Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:46 pm

unbelievable isn't it yeah didn't he said on the radio he maybe sat out a game or two after but didn't remember. Said he woke up and Jagr told him blood was all over his pillow went had to get a few xrays before it was diagnosed. Wasn't displaced so i think that is gonna be key.
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby relantel on Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:46 pm

I'm guessing they won't put Sid on IR until they know a timetable, to preserve the option of him playing sooner than 7 days. (He's not on IR now)
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby taz71 on Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:54 pm

From a doctor's perspective:

Sounds like it was a mandible fracture. Usually surgery is delayed the fact that it was done early means either they are salvaging teeth or there was minimal soft tissue swelling. Since he has delayed dental surgery I feel that is good news. Usually the jaw fractures in two spots because it is a circular structure it that case it is unstable if that happened he would be on the IR already more good news. Also he would be wired shut for stability. Sounds like is was a nondisplaced single fracture with significant dental trauma and the delayed dental repair will be implants or crowns.
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby PensFanInDC on Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:59 pm

taz71 wrote:From a doctor's perspective:

Sounds like it was a mandible fracture. Usually surgery is delayed the fact that it was done early means either they are salvaging teeth or there was minimal soft tissue swelling. Since he has delayed dental surgery I feel that is good news. Usually the jaw fractures in two spots because it is a circular structure it that case it is unstable if that happened he would be on the IR already more good news. Also he would be wired shut for stability. Sounds like is was a nondisplaced single fracture with significant dental trauma and the delayed dental repair will be implants or crowns.


We don't like educated posts round these parts...
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby columbia on Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:00 pm

Moondart post incoming.....
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Re: Crosby Out With Broken Jaw

Postby Elementary Penguin on Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:10 pm

taz71 wrote:From a doctor's perspective:

Sounds like it was a mandible fracture. Usually surgery is delayed the fact that it was done early means either they are salvaging teeth or there was minimal soft tissue swelling. Since he has delayed dental surgery I feel that is good news. Usually the jaw fractures in two spots because it is a circular structure it that case it is unstable if that happened he would be on the IR already more good news. Also he would be wired shut for stability. Sounds like is was a nondisplaced single fracture with significant dental trauma and the delayed dental repair will be implants or crowns.


If all of those things are true, and things are looking positive, any idea on how long until he could compete with extra protection?
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