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best defense in NHL

Postby headh on Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:32 am

this season the are giving up 2.33 goals per game ranking 4th in the league. Over the past 10 games they have only given up 8 goals, have registered 4 shutouts and are riding a 3 game shutout streak. Their back up goalie has 51 career shutouts.

Is this the best defensive team in the NHL?
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby Steve Dave on Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:47 am

Their PK is still ranked in the mid teens but if they continue their recent play in Crosby's absence then they will be the best, if not top 2/3 in the league by season's end.
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby penny lane on Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:56 am

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Clap hands; i've always wanted the defense to be elite.
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby headh on Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:57 am

Steve Dave wrote:Their PK is still ranked in the mid teens but if they continue their recent play in Crosby's absence then they will be the best, if not top 2/3 in the league by season's end.



Their PK is the most improved part of the team
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby Pavel Bure on Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:57 am

PK even over the streak is still only slightly above 83% but looks MUCH better than it did earlier in the season.
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby Steve Dave on Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:17 am

headh wrote:
Steve Dave wrote:Their PK is still ranked in the mid teens but if they continue their recent play in Crosby's absence then they will be the best, if not top 2/3 in the league by season's end.



Their PK is the most improved part of the team


I agree but for the Pens to be considered top D in league, the PK would have to be top 10 at least by end of the season. Do I think they are the best in the league? Their recent play, Yes I do, but from stats perspective, no, they are currently 4th in the league defensively with an avg. but improving PK. Their PK was awesome last game tho! I hope the team rallies behind 87 and has more gutsy performances like that.
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby penny lane on Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:18 am

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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby littlemoonboot on Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:36 am

I wouldn't say "best" but as long as they keep it up, certainly good enough to make a deep run if the guys can ice a team that isn't too riddled with injuries.

Praying that the injuries can be timed that our most important players are able to play next month. This Pens team has done a tremendous job despite everything.
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby Pavel Bure on Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:39 am

penny lane wrote:http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/penguins/long-line-of-defense-for-penguins-orpik-681642/

Go Brooks!

My man crush just keeps growing. I hope they find a way to cost effectively keep him here for his entire career.
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby tfrizz on Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:44 am

headh wrote:Is this the best defensive team in the NHL?


No. They're not even the best defensive team in the East. I'd put Boston, Ottawa, and maybe Montreal ahead of them.
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby headh on Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:02 pm

tfrizz wrote:
headh wrote:Is this the best defensive team in the NHL?


No. They're not even the best defensive team in the East. I'd put Boston, Ottawa, and maybe Montreal ahead of them.


hmmm

would you trade
Orpik Martin
Letang Eaton
Niskanen Depres

for their top 6 defensive players??

Are you saying that their entire team plays a better defensive game ie back checking etc? I am including our interchangeable goalies and forward's new found defensive responsibility in my thought process....Are you?

Let's discuss it a little
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby jwest21 on Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:06 pm

I wouldn't take anyone over the Pens defense at this point in the season
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:06 pm

I'd trade Engelland or Niskanen for Chara, but that's it :pop:
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby DelPen on Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:25 pm

So what's the magic number for the Jennings as far as plausible goes? Right now we are 5th:

1) Chicago: 74
2) Boston: 75
3) Ottawa: 76
4) Montreal: 83
5) Pittsburgh: 84

No more than 1.5 per game?
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby tfrizz on Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:46 pm

DelPen wrote:So what's the magic number for the Jennings as far as plausible goes? Right now we are 5th:

1) Chicago: 74
2) Boston: 75
3) Ottawa: 76
4) Montreal: 83
5) Pittsburgh: 84

No more than 1.5 per game?


Ottawa is sitting at 2.06 GA/game. Should target about 2.15 for a shot at the Jennings, which would be 19 goals against in the remaining 13 games - so yes, about 1.5 per game.
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby The Snapshot on Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:59 pm

Don't understand why people consider a team like Ottawa a great defensive team? Their goalies face a ton of shots. They have good goalies.

The Pens own the puck when they are playing well, which means that the other team can't shoot what it doesn't have. Their goalies are now both playing well. The fact is though, some nights they still see plenty of rubber and they have been stepping up. When the goalies were off, the whole pyramid crumbled. Some nights they scored more to carry the goalies.

Systems are great, but every one is different and they need to result in more goals for than against. The best defensive team can still be the best offensive team, if they can protect the leads that they earn at the other end. The Pens have been unbelievable in one goal games this year, whether they were 6-5 or 1-0.

This team is playing better hockey than any other team in the league. The Defense, forwards and goalies all have a big role in that. That is all that matters. There isn't another team in the league that has put up the kinds of defensive statistics that the Pens have in the past 11 games. They haven't done it with just defense, but that has to still make them the best team at not getting scored on, which makes them the best defensive team.
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby wondermoose on Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:03 pm

Defense isn't worth a damn until they do it in the playoffs.
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby The Snapshot on Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:34 pm

wondermoose wrote:Defense Goaltending isn't worth a damn until they do it in the playoffs.
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby tfrizz on Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:30 pm

The Snapshot wrote:Don't understand why people consider a team like Ottawa a great defensive team? Their goalies face a ton of shots. They have good goalies.

The Pens own the puck when they are playing well, which means that the other team can't shoot what it doesn't have. Their goalies are now both playing well. The fact is though, some nights they still see plenty of rubber and they have been stepping up. When the goalies were off, the whole pyramid crumbled. Some nights they scored more to carry the goalies.

Systems are great, but every one is different and they need to result in more goals for than against. The best defensive team can still be the best offensive team, if they can protect the leads that they earn at the other end. The Pens have been unbelievable in one goal games this year, whether they were 6-5 or 1-0.

This team is playing better hockey than any other team in the league. The Defense, forwards and goalies all have a big role in that. That is all that matters. There isn't another team in the league that has put up the kinds of defensive statistics that the Pens have in the past 11 games. They haven't done it with just defense, but that has to still make them the best team at not getting scored on, which makes them the best defensive team.


Quantity != Quality
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby Gaucho on Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:40 pm

wondermoose wrote:Defense isn't worth a damn until they do it in the playoffs.


Or until they go down like flies.
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby The Snapshot on Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:52 pm

tfrizz wrote:
The Snapshot wrote:Don't understand why people consider a team like Ottawa a great defensive team? Their goalies face a ton of shots. They have good goalies.

The Pens own the puck when they are playing well, which means that the other team can't shoot what it doesn't have. Their goalies are now both playing well. The fact is though, some nights they still see plenty of rubber and they have been stepping up. When the goalies were off, the whole pyramid crumbled. Some nights they scored more to carry the goalies.

Systems are great, but every one is different and they need to result in more goals for than against. The best defensive team can still be the best offensive team, if they can protect the leads that they earn at the other end. The Pens have been unbelievable in one goal games this year, whether they were 6-5 or 1-0.

This team is playing better hockey than any other team in the league. The Defense, forwards and goalies all have a big role in that. That is all that matters. There isn't another team in the league that has put up the kinds of defensive statistics that the Pens have in the past 11 games. They haven't done it with just defense, but that has to still make them the best team at not getting scored on, which makes them the best defensive team.


Quantity != Quality


Vokoun held us in at the start of the Winnipeg game and it turned into complete domination after about the first 12 minutes. He made at least 3 saves in that stretch that there is no way he made a few weeks ago. That had nothing to do with the D, but then the puck possession game kicked in and it became a defensively dominant performance. He gave the D a lift, and they returned the favor.

The circle of D.
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby RxBandit66 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:34 am

I find it funny how teams that don't score a lot of goals are considered "good defensive teams." Goal differential is the most important stat IMO. If your team is scoring the same number of goals as it's giving up, it's not a good team regardless of how good it is defensively.

That's why this recent defensive surge is a great sign for the postseason. The Pens, even without Sid, have more gamebreakers than any team in the league. Even some of the bottom six guys (witness Cooke the other day and TK against Philly) can turn a game around in a heartbeat.
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby Penspal on Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:38 am

best TEAM defense.... yes, when our guys get healthy.
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Re: best defense in NHL

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:42 am

The Snapshot wrote:
tfrizz wrote:
The Snapshot wrote:Don't understand why people consider a team like Ottawa a great defensive team? Their goalies face a ton of shots. They have good goalies.

The Pens own the puck when they are playing well, which means that the other team can't shoot what it doesn't have. Their goalies are now both playing well. The fact is though, some nights they still see plenty of rubber and they have been stepping up. When the goalies were off, the whole pyramid crumbled. Some nights they scored more to carry the goalies.

Systems are great, but every one is different and they need to result in more goals for than against. The best defensive team can still be the best offensive team, if they can protect the leads that they earn at the other end. The Pens have been unbelievable in one goal games this year, whether they were 6-5 or 1-0.

This team is playing better hockey than any other team in the league. The Defense, forwards and goalies all have a big role in that. That is all that matters. There isn't another team in the league that has put up the kinds of defensive statistics that the Pens have in the past 11 games. They haven't done it with just defense, but that has to still make them the best team at not getting scored on, which makes them the best defensive team.


Quantity != Quality


Vokoun held us in at the start of the Winnipeg game and it turned into complete domination after about the first 12 minutes. He made at least 3 saves in that stretch that there is no way he made a few weeks ago. That had nothing to do with the D, but then the puck possession game kicked in and it became a defensively dominant performance. He gave the D a lift, and they returned the favor.

The circle of D.


This is how I feel. The goalie gaining the confidence of a team comes before the defense gets good almost every time. Also, I'm trying really hard not to get a mental image with regards to your closing in that post.
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