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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Mr. Colby on Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:44 pm

Signing a guy like Bryz accomplishes nothing... You go from a struggling goalie who you're hoping bounces back to a different struggling goalie who you're hoping bounces back...
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Bioshock on Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:06 pm

Honestly... I'm so happy i'm not the GM.

I would rather just be a fan and enjoy what this team will look like come fall.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Mr. Colby on Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:40 pm

And the current word is that Philly will NOT buy out Bryz this summer... I do think Bryz is a good goaltender and wish for his own benefit he could be bought out... unfortunately he's stuck in philly where goalies go to die
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:50 am

Pavel Bure wrote:
mikey287 wrote:But if they're rebuilding, why would they want a guy who is a UFA in two years?

Who are these teams that would take him on in this current marketplace, just for kicks...

To see if he's their guy without getting locked into a contract for a long period of time. Really the only team I can think of that could be interested in Fleury would Calgary.


Colorado and Minnesota come to mind
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby mikey287 on Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:00 am

Colorado already acquired their young goalie of the future in Semyon Varlamov (paid a pretty penny for him too) and he was outstanding last year on a bad team. Minnesota just moved their goalie of the future (Matt Hackett) but still have Darcy Kuemper and Johan Gustafsson on the way and they seem to believe that at least one of them is ready. Plus, they have cap concerns.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby columbia on Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:30 am

It's not very reassuring to have to rely on an untradeable goalie.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby mikey287 on Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:37 am

columbia wrote:It's not very reassuring to have to rely on an untradeable goalie.


Well, that's the market right now. It's not that Fleury is so bad that he's untradeable, it's just that given the marketplace...well...he's untradeable. Not that anyone is salivating over his recent play, certainly...

I'm not worried about all that stuff, I'm worried about getting a new goalie coach in here and putting together a team that can help Marc find his game and still allow us to produce offense in a satisfactory manner. He has the tools, you know that, we all know that...it doesn't help us one bit to have a 3rd round pick instead of a 2x SC Finalist goaltender, it just doesn't. I don't think it's the roster that's failing us at all...it's how it is utilized that needs to be adjusted. Shero has provided the pieces to win, in my opinion...
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:53 am

mikey287 wrote:Colorado already acquired their young goalie of the future in Semyon Varlamov (paid a pretty penny for him too) and he was outstanding last year on a bad team. Minnesota just moved their goalie of the future (Matt Hackett) but still have Darcy Kuemper and Johan Gustafsson on the way and they seem to believe that at least one of them is ready. Plus, they have cap concerns.


Varlamov has never impressed me. I wouldn't go as far as saying he was outstanding. His save % was .903 and his GAA was above 3.

Minnesota could easily afford Fleury if they decided to move some dead weight. Heatley is a buyout candidate if they should so choose. Thats a lot of pressure on an unproven goalie with their teams talent.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:00 am

mikey287 wrote:
columbia wrote:It's not very reassuring to have to rely on an untradeable goalie.


Well, that's the market right now. It's not that Fleury is so bad that he's untradeable, it's just that given the marketplace...well...he's untradeable. Not that anyone is salivating over his recent play, certainly...

I'm not worried about all that stuff, I'm worried about getting a new goalie coach in here and putting together a team that can help Marc find his game and still allow us to produce offense in a satisfactory manner. He has the tools, you know that, we all know that...it doesn't help us one bit to have a 3rd round pick instead of a 2x SC Finalist goaltender, it just doesn't. I don't think it's the roster that's failing us at all...it's how it is utilized that needs to be adjusted. Shero has provided the pieces to win, in my opinion...


When you have a team like Boston who blocks 20+ shots a game you need to find ways to get the puck low. out work the opposition, and get the dirty goals. This team has shown in two separate series when a team packs it in and forces the Pens to play on the perimeter they have trouble scoring. To me that's more personel than it is the system. A scrappy Leafs team gave the Bruins more trouble than the Pens. Could that have been a wakeup to the B's? Of course. But IMO our Power Forwards, Neal and Kunitz, if you can even consider them Power Forwards dont really take the puck to the net and create.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Malkamaniac on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:05 am

thehockeyguru wrote:
mikey287 wrote:
columbia wrote:It's not very reassuring to have to rely on an untradeable goalie.


Well, that's the market right now. It's not that Fleury is so bad that he's untradeable, it's just that given the marketplace...well...he's untradeable. Not that anyone is salivating over his recent play, certainly...

I'm not worried about all that stuff, I'm worried about getting a new goalie coach in here and putting together a team that can help Marc find his game and still allow us to produce offense in a satisfactory manner. He has the tools, you know that, we all know that...it doesn't help us one bit to have a 3rd round pick instead of a 2x SC Finalist goaltender, it just doesn't. I don't think it's the roster that's failing us at all...it's how it is utilized that needs to be adjusted. Shero has provided the pieces to win, in my opinion...


When you have a team like Boston who blocks 20+ shots a game you need to find ways to get the puck low. out work the opposition, and get the dirty goals. This team has shown in two separate series when a team packs it in and forces the Pens to play on the perimeter they have trouble scoring. To me that's more personel than it is the system. A scrappy Leafs team gave the Bruins more trouble than the Pens. Could that have been a wakeup to the B's? Of course. But IMO our Power Forwards, Neal and Kunitz, if you can even consider them Power Forwards dont really take the puck to the net and create.


I consider Neal a sniper and Kunitz a two way guy. I'd kill to have a guy like Lucic camping right in front of the net and be a total force.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:07 am

That's my point. We dont have a Power Forward. The closest thing we've had to that in the last 10 years has been Ryan Malone.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Malkamaniac on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:07 am

Even a guy like Wayne Simmonds or Hartnell.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Malkamaniac on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:08 am

thehockeyguru wrote:The closest thing we've had to that in the last 10 years has been Ryan Malone.


I absolutely hate it too.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby meow on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:09 am

Power forwards don't exactly grow on trees. That being said, with the rumored trade talks with Anaheim, I'd be interested in what it would take to pry Devante Smith-Pelly from them.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:09 am

Malkamaniac wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:The closest thing we've had to that in the last 10 years has been Ryan Malone.


I absolutely hate it too.


What? That Ryan Malone has been our best power forward in the last 10 years, or that we dont have one now?
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:10 am

"The closest thing we've had to that"? Is there a better prototypical Power forward in the game than what the Pens had in Malone before he left? I'd wager no.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:19 am

Idoit40fans wrote:"The closest thing we've had to that"? Is there a better prototypical Power forward in the game than what the Pens had in Malone before he left? I'd wager no.


I'd take Franzen over Malone in a heart beat.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Pavel Bure on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:20 am

Idoit40fans wrote:"The closest thing we've had to that"? Is there a better prototypical Power forward in the game than what the Pens had in Malone before he left? I'd wager no.

Lucic, Ryan, Nash, Clowe. I'm sure there are more but I don't feel like looking at every team.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Malkamaniac on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:21 am

thehockeyguru wrote:
Malkamaniac wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:The closest thing we've had to that in the last 10 years has been Ryan Malone.


I absolutely hate it too.


What? That Ryan Malone has been our best power forward in the last 10 years, or that we dont have one now?


That we only had Malone and never went with that ever again.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Malkamaniac on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:22 am

I think Lucic and Simmonds are the best in the game now. Simmonds is a monster in the paint.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby sil on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:23 am

You have to respect Simmonds for it though...the guy isn't very big. Amazing what he can do with that smaller frame.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:26 am

So Anaheim has interest in Letang? Word is the Flyers have also contacted Anaheim regarding Bobby Ryan. Coburn and the 11th pick is being discussed.

I'd be intrigued by a Letang to Anaheim deal if Ryan was involved.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Malkamaniac on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:26 am

sil wrote:You have to respect Simmonds for it though...the guy isn't very big. Amazing what he can do with that smaller frame.


I think as long as you're not afraid of getting knocked around down there, and have decent hands, you'll always have a spot in the league.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby lemieuxReturns on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:31 am

thehockeyguru wrote:
mikey287 wrote:Colorado already acquired their young goalie of the future in Semyon Varlamov (paid a pretty penny for him too) and he was outstanding last year on a bad team. Minnesota just moved their goalie of the future (Matt Hackett) but still have Darcy Kuemper and Johan Gustafsson on the way and they seem to believe that at least one of them is ready. Plus, they have cap concerns.


Varlamov has never impressed me. I wouldn't go as far as saying he was outstanding. His save % was .903 and his GAA was above 3.

Minnesota could easily afford Fleury if they decided to move some dead weight. Heatley is a buyout candidate if they should so choose. Thats a lot of pressure on an unproven goalie with their teams talent.



Heatley is not currently a buyout candidate because he is injured... and you can not buy out an injured player. This is what is adding to their cap problem.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Take the Body Shoot the Puck on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:51 am

thehockeyguru wrote:So Anaheim has interest in Letang? Word is the Flyers have also contacted Anaheim regarding Bobby Ryan. Coburn and the 11th pick is being discussed.

I'd be intrigued by a Letang to Anaheim deal if Ryan was involved.


I would too but as someone else stated earlier, I'd want something more back. Ryan + Sbisa, Ryan + Sbisa + pick, etc. I agree with others that we'd need a defenseman back in any deal for Letang since our prospects aren't ready yet.
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