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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby pens2005 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:16 am

columbia wrote:Any roster than ices any two of Niskanen, Bortuzzo and Engelland is not winning the cup.


Lol every team that wins a cup has players on it that are suspect at best. Everyone!

We complain about Niskanen, Engelland etc. like other teams complain about their bottom pairing on defense too.

It's literally no different.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Boogeyman on Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:27 am

I would completely overhaul our bottom two lines. I would do serious research into what types of players would compliment Brandon Sutter, find them, and acquire them. That third line needs to be a factor in the playoffs. It is essential these days. Hell, the 4th line needs to be relevant. The line this year faired well, but I really think you could get a lot more out of Sutter.

I think strengthening are 3rd and 4th line is more important than worrying about Crosby or Malkins line. Crosby and Malkin become average more often than not in the post season (by their standards). We need depth who can keep the momentum rolling while Sid and Geno are making blind behind the back passes to opponents.

Let Dupuis go. Jokinen playing wing with Crosby will pot just as many, write it down. Round out this team... Two top heavy lines is a recipe for an outstanding season, and inevitable disappointment in the post season. The opponent could pull their goalie when our current 4th line is on the ice and have zero concern for us scoring. Just saying.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby shmenguin on Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:11 pm

If the goal of the third line is to be a strictly defensive line, then it doesn't need tweaking. If you want it to be anything else, it's not a personnel issue. It's a strategy issue.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby npv708 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:55 pm

Here's the problem for me with the bottom two lines. We have 2 3rd line centers and neither is a 4th line center (Jokinen and Sutter). Cooke/Kennedy/Adams/Glass is not anywhere near ideal, but there's almost no good 3rd/4th liners out there. We need a Rupp or Asham type and Glass is not that. I'd like to see us maybe go after Hendricks, but him and Glass are too close to each other in player types.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Nizzy on Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:08 pm

@sil, Good point about Nisky but realize...he isn't an offensive defenseman... he's just a puck moving defenseman.

I move Nisky and that allows me to have Murray for 2 years. Need than crease clearing defenseman

The defense is garbage anyway. Eaton was just a patch job, I'm sorry, no point to bring him back. Eaton is a #7 who was "done" in these playoffs. I'd rather it just be Engelland, and I hate him.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby mikey287 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:16 pm

Nizzy wrote:Good point about Nisky but realize...he isn't an offensive defenseman... he's just a puck moving defenseman.


Opposite.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Nizzy on Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:30 pm

mikey287 wrote:
Nizzy wrote:Good point about Nisky but realize...he isn't an offensive defenseman... he's just a puck moving defenseman.


Opposite.


You don't think Niskanen was decent at those Stretch passes? Puck moving right?

Anyways, Nisky can't be top 4. Not Dallas, Not Pittsburgh. Proven he can't hack it. Great #5, but I think with Borts and Despres, I'd rather give them the minutes.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Steve Dave on Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:42 pm

Kunitz Crosby Bennett
Jokinen Malkin Neal
Cooke Sutter Clutterbuck
Glass Vitale Nystrom
Adams

Despres Letang
Orpik Martin
Murray Bortuzzo
Engelland

Fleury
Vokoun
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby mikey287 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:54 pm

Nizzy wrote:
mikey287 wrote:
Nizzy wrote:Good point about Nisky but realize...he isn't an offensive defenseman... he's just a puck moving defenseman.


Opposite.


You don't think Niskanen was decent at those Stretch passes? Puck moving right?

Anyways, Nisky can't be top 4. Not Dallas, Not Pittsburgh. Proven he can't hack it. Great #5, but I think with Borts and Despres, I'd rather give them the minutes.


He wasn't bad at them. But he's an offensive-minded player that's better at shooting than passing. Doesn't have the ideal vision to be classified as purely a PMD over an OFD (the umbrella term that it is), so to speak. If you're going to make that separation (which isn't totally necessary in my opinion), I wouldn't classify Niskanen on the PMD side. Not enough thought goes into what he does. Can't make small area passes. Can't make territorial gaining passes in tighter quarters. Instead relies on his shot when the pressure is on. Notably: not a PP QB. Is a trigger man.

Have always agreed that he's no better than a #5. I'd rather give Despres minutes. Bortuzzo is a 6/7.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Pavel Bure on Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:57 pm

mikey287 wrote:
Nizzy wrote:
mikey287 wrote:
Nizzy wrote:Good point about Nisky but realize...he isn't an offensive defenseman... he's just a puck moving defenseman.


Opposite.


You don't think Niskanen was decent at those Stretch passes? Puck moving right?

Anyways, Nisky can't be top 4. Not Dallas, Not Pittsburgh. Proven he can't hack it. Great #5, but I think with Borts and Despres, I'd rather give them the minutes.


He wasn't bad at them. But he's an offensive-minded player that's better at shooting than passing. Doesn't have the ideal vision to be classified as purely a PMD over an OFD (the umbrella term that it is), so to speak. If you're going to make that separation (which isn't totally necessary in my opinion), I wouldn't classify Niskanen on the PMD side. Not enough thought goes into what he does. Can't make small area passes. Can't make territorial gaining passes in tighter quarters. Instead relies on his shot when the pressure is on. Notably: not a PP QB. Is a trigger man.

Have always agreed that he's no better than a #5. I'd rather give Despres minutes. Bortuzzo is a 6/7.

Either or:

Ian White or Nisky
Anton Babchuk or Nisky
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby mikey287 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:18 pm

Niskanen for both. And I don't care all that much for him. And I used to have a major crush on Anton Babchuk in his draft year. Thankfully, I've matured a little bit in my evaluations since then...or so I hope...
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Nizzy on Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:45 pm

mikey287 wrote:
Nizzy wrote:
mikey287 wrote:
Nizzy wrote:Good point about Nisky but realize...he isn't an offensive defenseman... he's just a puck moving defenseman.


Opposite.


You don't think Niskanen was decent at those Stretch passes? Puck moving right?

Anyways, Nisky can't be top 4. Not Dallas, Not Pittsburgh. Proven he can't hack it. Great #5, but I think with Borts and Despres, I'd rather give them the minutes.


He wasn't bad at them. But he's an offensive-minded player that's better at shooting than passing. Doesn't have the ideal vision to be classified as purely a PMD over an OFD (the umbrella term that it is), so to speak. If you're going to make that separation (which isn't totally necessary in my opinion), I wouldn't classify Niskanen on the PMD side. Not enough thought goes into what he does. Can't make small area passes. Can't make territorial gaining passes in tighter quarters. Instead relies on his shot when the pressure is on. Notably: not a PP QB. Is a trigger man.

Have always agreed that he's no better than a #5. I'd rather give Despres minutes. Bortuzzo is a 6/7.


Cool :thumb:
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Pavel Bure on Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:55 pm

Man I just spent some time putting together a roster that involved Fleury + Kennedy under a new contract for Clutterbuck under a new contract + 1st rounder, then Minn. 1st rounder to LAK for Bernier... then I researched a bit more and remembered Minn. doesn't have their 1st rounder anymore.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby KG on Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:12 pm

Islanders most likely would like MAF....

How about Niederreiter and Matt Martin for MAF and sign Nabby to be Vokoun's backup?

I'm on board with dealing MAF and keeping Letang...
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby mikey287 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:18 pm

KG wrote:Islanders most likely would like MAF....

How about Niederreiter and Matt Martin for MAF and sign Nabby to be Vokoun's backup?

I'm on board with dealing MAF and keeping Letang...


The thing is...we can't win a Cup with Nabby/Vokoun, regardless of whether we get the right value back or not for Fleury.

They won't move Martin and Nino for him I don't think. If they move Nino, I'd think it would be for Bernier. Martin is a fan favorite for them and I thought he signed a longer term contract recently (might be mistaken). They love him there and management loves him and it's one of the few players from their late round drafting strategy (drafting the linemates of elite players in juniors) that actually looks to be panning out...
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby thehockeyguru on Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:28 am

mikey287 wrote:Colorado already acquired their young goalie of the future in Semyon Varlamov (paid a pretty penny for him too) and he was outstanding last year on a bad team. Minnesota just moved their goalie of the future (Matt Hackett) but still have Darcy Kuemper and Johan Gustafsson on the way and they seem to believe that at least one of them is ready. Plus, they have cap concerns.


Sounds like there is real interest from the Wild.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby thehockeyguru on Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:38 am

Pavel Bure wrote:Man I just spent some time putting together a roster that involved Fleury + Kennedy under a new contract for Clutterbuck under a new contract + 1st rounder, then Minn. 1st rounder to LAK for Bernier... then I researched a bit more and remembered Minn. doesn't have their 1st rounder anymore.


Plus didnt Bernier go to the Leafs?
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Pavel Bure on Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:12 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
Pavel Bure wrote:Man I just spent some time putting together a roster that involved Fleury + Kennedy under a new contract for Clutterbuck under a new contract + 1st rounder, then Minn. 1st rounder to LAK for Bernier... then I researched a bit more and remembered Minn. doesn't have their 1st rounder anymore.


Plus didnt Bernier go to the Leafs?

That was before that trade
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby thehockeyguru on Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:29 pm

Pavel Bure wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:
Pavel Bure wrote:Man I just spent some time putting together a roster that involved Fleury + Kennedy under a new contract for Clutterbuck under a new contract + 1st rounder, then Minn. 1st rounder to LAK for Bernier... then I researched a bit more and remembered Minn. doesn't have their 1st rounder anymore.


Plus didnt Bernier go to the Leafs?

That was before that trade


What did you think of the return?
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:44 am

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/penguins/penguins-ducks-swap-ahl-prospects-692956/

General manager Ray Shero said Monday he also expects to extend qualifying offers to forwards Tyler Kennedy and Dustin Jeffrey and defenseman Robert Bortuzzo before the July 2 deadline.

"I don't see us not qualifying anybody, at this point," he said.

Doing so with those restricted-free-agents-to-be will allow the Penguins to match any offer they might receive from another club.

The NHL's collective bargaining agreement stipulates that players paid less than $660,000 in a just-completed season must be offered at least 110 percent of their salary in a qualifying offer, while those receiving up to $1 million must be offered at least 105 percent, and those getting more than $1 million must be offered at least the same amount.

Consequently, the minimum qualifying offers for the players in question would be: Kennedy, $2 million; Jeffrey, $687,500; Zolnierczyk, $660,000; and Bortuzzo, $577,500.



And TK will continue to make $2 million/year
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Malkamaniac on Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:51 am

Ok then lets use the players the correct way then.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby KG on Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:52 am

Little surprised about TK...Nothing wrong with changing the lineup once in a while!
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:52 am

I presume that Kennedy would just accept a $2 million contract, but here's hoping no.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Crankshaft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:02 am

Kennedy is going to laugh all the way to the bank.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby columbia on Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:02 am

If Shero can't get a deal with Dupuis done this week, hopefully he can at least get a cursory pick out of someone.
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