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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby DontToewsMeBro on Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:19 am

MRandall25 wrote:They will also all be rookies.

I'm not that confident in having half our defense having little to no professional hockey/NHL experience.


That's what you get when you consistently draft solid defensemen year after year. Either you ship them out (Morrow) or you play them. If they are NHL ready, you can't bury them in the minors forever. Look at Strait, he was getting top 4 minutes with the Islanders and didn't look bad at all. He would be lucky to crack our line up in the next two years with the young guys playing over him.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby The U on Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:35 am

Got $5 million per year invested in a goalie we can't dress in the postseason.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby taz71 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:17 am

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Matt Cooke ($1.800m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Jussi Jokinen ($2.100m)
Dustin Jeffrey ($0.688m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Tanner Glass ($1.100m)
Craig Adams ($0.675m)
DEFENSEMEN
Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Brooks Orpik ($3.750m)
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Simon Despres ($0.840m)
Matt Niskanen ($2.300m) / Brian Dumoulin ($0.900m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.578m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,188,333; BONUSES: $85,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $196,667
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby shmenguin on Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:29 am

taz71 wrote:CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Matt Cooke ($1.800m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Jussi Jokinen ($2.100m)
Dustin Jeffrey ($0.688m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Tanner Glass ($1.100m)
Craig Adams ($0.675m)
DEFENSEMEN
Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Brooks Orpik ($3.750m)
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Simon Despres ($0.840m)
Matt Niskanen ($2.300m) / Brian Dumoulin ($0.900m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.578m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,188,333; BONUSES: $85,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $196,667


occam's razor ftw
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby pfim on Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:30 am

The U wrote:Got $5 million per year invested in a goalie we can't dress in the postseason.


And $2.1 million in cap space tied up in a forward that wasn't dressed for half the playoff games.

Fleury isn't going anywhere I guess, so pointless to debate right now.

If Niskanen and/or Jokinen prevents the club from signing Cooke, we're much worse off.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Beveridge on Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:53 am

Flower's contract isn't an issue this year. Next year is a whole new ballgame.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Crankshaft on Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:03 am

Beveridge wrote:Flower's contract isn't an issue this year. Next year is a whole new ballgame.


I have a feeling if the cap goes up to what they're expecting, then it hopefully won't be an issue.

Interesting thing to think about. Say Fleury rebounds and plays well - regular season & post-season. What happens then? People are ready to jettison him now to make cap space now. If he rebounds and recovers, then your decision becomes a lot more difficult.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Beveridge on Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:16 am

Crankshaft wrote:
Beveridge wrote:Flower's contract isn't an issue this year. Next year is a whole new ballgame.


I have a feeling if the cap goes up to what they're expecting, then it hopefully won't be an issue.

Interesting thing to think about. Say Fleury rebounds and plays well - regular season & post-season. What happens then? People are ready to jettison him now to make cap space now. If he rebounds and recovers, then your decision becomes a lot more difficult.



We call that the Paul Martin LGP effect.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby pfim on Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:20 am

Crankshaft wrote:
Beveridge wrote:Flower's contract isn't an issue this year. Next year is a whole new ballgame.


I have a feeling if the cap goes up to what they're expecting, then it hopefully won't be an issue.

Interesting thing to think about. Say Fleury rebounds and plays well - regular season & post-season. What happens then? People are ready to jettison him now to make cap space now. If he rebounds and recovers, then your decision becomes a lot more difficult.


If he plays like a $5 million goaltender, you keep him. I don't think anyone is against paying a goaltender that salary, just not one who implodes in the playoffs.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby pens2005 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:29 am

DontToewsMeBro wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:They will also all be rookies.

I'm not that confident in having half our defense having little to no professional hockey/NHL experience.


That's what you get when you consistently draft solid defensemen year after year. Either you ship them out (Morrow) or you play them. If they are NHL ready, you can't bury them in the minors forever. Look at Strait, he was getting top 4 minutes with the Islanders and didn't look bad at all. He would be lucky to crack our line up in the next two years with the young guys playing over him.


I don't understand the argument that you can't have a few young players playing on your defense but it's cool to have Engelland, Eaton and Niskanen back there.

Like, "I'd rather make mistakes with old farts as opposed to young ones who need to experience their lumps".

Im all for having Bortuzzo, Despres, and Doumolin (sp?) getting minutes in the top 6. No issue at all with that.

Have them take their hits now so you're not dealing with this 2 years down the road.

If they would have just stuck with Despres all year, he's be much better off this year. But no, now he still has to be penciled in as a ?. Poor coaching in my mind.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Nizzy on Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:35 am

updated situation:

Kunitz (3.725) - Crosby (8.7) - Dupuis (3.75)
Bennett (.900) - Malkin (8.7) - Neal (5.0)
Jokinen (2.1) - Sutter (2.06) - Player (0.0)
Glass (1.1) - Vitale (.550) - Player (0.0)
Jeffrey (.575)
Iginla (7.0)
Morrow (4.1)
Cooke (1.8)
Adams (.675)

Letang (3.5) - Despres (.840)
Martin (5.0) - Orpik (3.75)
Niskanen (2.3) - Engelland (.566)
Bortuzzo (.525)
Murray (2.5)
Eaton (.725)

Fleury (5.0)
Vokoun (2.0)

Total = 59.541
Cap = 64.3
Free = 4.759

(cap geek has MacIntyre taking up cap space, he'll be in the minors so it shouldn't affect cap)
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby GSdrums87 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:42 am

Nizzy wrote:updated situation:

Kunitz (3.725) - Crosby (8.7) - Dupuis (3.75)
Bennett (.900) - Malkin (8.7) - Neal (5.0)
Jokinen (2.1) - Sutter (2.06) - Player (0.0)
Glass (1.1) - Vitale (.550) - Player (0.0)
Jeffrey (.575)
Iginla (7.0)
Morrow (4.1)
Cooke (1.8)
Adams (.675)

Letang (3.5) - Despres (.840)
Martin (5.0) - Orpik (3.75)
Niskanen (2.3) - Engelland (.566)
Bortuzzo (.525)
Murray (2.5)
Eaton (.725)

Fleury (5.0)
Vokoun (2.0)

Total = 59.541
Cap = 64.3
Free = 4.759

(cap geek has MacIntyre taking up cap space, he'll be in the minors so it shouldn't affect cap)

Man, if we can just got a fast hitting machine on the third line that could potentially split time on the 2nd line, that'd be amazing. Something to help open things up for Juicy and Sutter, and still be able to fill in if Beauflex doesn't work. No idea who though...
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Crankshaft on Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:43 am

GSdrums87 wrote:Man, if we can just got a fast hitting machine on the third line that could potentially split time on the 2nd line, that'd be amazing. Something to help open things up for Juicy and Sutter, and still be able to fill in if Beauflex doesn't work. No idea who though...


Kennedy?
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby GSdrums87 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:51 am

Crankshaft wrote:
GSdrums87 wrote:Man, if we can just got a fast hitting machine on the third line that could potentially split time on the 2nd line, that'd be amazing. Something to help open things up for Juicy and Sutter, and still be able to fill in if Beauflex doesn't work. No idea who though...


Kennedy?

Think he's available?
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Nizzy on Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:13 am

MY roster update 2.0. Later Niskanen, re-up Murray for crease clearing. I want my bottom pairing to be big and tough. Murray, Bortuzzo, Engelland as the 5-7 should be good. They're all okay at moving the puck up ice. (At least for dumping) I want Iggy Back.


Kunitz (3.725) - Crosby (8.7) - Dupuis (3.75)
Bennett (.900) - Malkin (8.7) - Neal (5.0)
Jokinen (2.1) - Sutter (2.06) - Iglina (3.0)
Glass (1.1) - Vitale (.550) - Jeffrey (.650)

Letang (3.5) - Despres (.840)
Martin (5.0) - Orpik (3.75)
Murray (2.5) - Bortuzzo (.625)
Engelland (.566)

Fleury (5.0)
Vokoun (2.0)

Total = 63.85
Cap = 64.3
Free = .350


edit -- if not Iggy then Cooke I guess.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby pfim on Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:21 am

"Dumping" is a good way to describe Murray's play with the puck.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby KG on Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:21 am

Curious to see how Shero handles this free agency. We don't have much space yet could move a player or two to get more cap space.

I would like to see some more grit from the 3rd line (Nystrom type possibly bring back Morrow). I wouldn't mind Cooke moving on, just to change things up.

Shero has really kept the roster largely in tact from last year pre deadline...

We'll see how this plays out...
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby KG on Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:23 am

Nizzy wrote:MY roster update 2.0. Later Niskanen, re-up Murray for crease clearing. I want my bottom pairing to be big and tough. Murray, Bortuzzo, Engelland as the 5-7 should be good. They're all okay at moving the puck up ice. (At least for dumping) I want Iggy Back.


Kunitz (3.725) - Crosby (8.7) - Dupuis (3.75)
Bennett (.900) - Malkin (8.7) - Neal (5.0)
Jokinen (2.1) - Sutter (2.06) - Iglina (3.0)
Glass (1.1) - Vitale (.550) - Jeffrey (.650)

Letang (3.5) - Despres (.840)
Martin (5.0) - Orpik (3.75)
Murray (2.5) - Bortuzzo (.625)
Engelland (.566)

Fleury (5.0)
Vokoun (2.0)

Total = 63.85
Cap = 64.3
Free = .350


edit -- if not Iggy then Cooke I guess.


I'd rather have Murray over Niskanen too. Letang, Martin, Despres can handle the offense from the back end. Hopefully Shero moves Nisky for either a 3rd line two way wing, or for a pick for cap savings.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby pfim on Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:26 am

Not sure Murray is really in the discussion right now. I haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere, and really he was not what the team needed. If Niskanen is traded, I don't think Murray is back regardless.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby meow on Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:29 am

I'd like to have Mark Eaton back. He's cheap, he is reliable, and he knows how to play here.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby The U on Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:50 am

meow wrote:I'd like to have Mark Eaton back. He's cheap, he is reliable, and he knows how to play here.


I'd rather start working the young defensemen into the system. At some point these draft picks have to be given a chance to play, develop, learn, improve, and contribute at the pro level.

Despres and Bortuzzo didn't get enough playing time last year so they couldnt be used or trusted in the playoffs. If you give these guys "on the job training" from Game 1, by the time the postseason rolls around they are ready to contribute and have gone through all the growing pains.

The regular season should be seen as nothing more than a preseason or trial phase for the playoffs. Line combos, PP and PK setups, developing young guys like BB, Despres, Bortuzzo, etc...

About the young Dmen:

Not you, but some people are worrying about having too many young and unproven defensemen on the team at the same time. "Too many rookies" or "not enough experience on the blueline" etc....

Well....Pouliot, Harrington, Despres, Dumoulin, Maata, Samuelsson, (Morrow), etc....are all around the same age. This is what happens when you draft the same position over and over and over again. You get a logjam. These guys all develop at basically the same pace and are all ready to turn pro and get called up to the NHL at the same exact time.

So are we supposed to stagger or delay their development because we can't have too many young D on the team at the same time? If you're not prepared to put some combo of Pouliot, Harrington, Despres, Maata, and Dumoulin on the roster at the same time then why did you draft them? Is Harrington supposed to play in the NHL this year and then Pouliot plays in the NHL 2 years from now and then Maata gets called up 4 years from now? All for the sake of not having all these guys on the roster together because they are too young and inexperienced?

Another concern might be that these guys all play a more offensive game or a positional game. There are no bruisers or intimidating crease-clearers in this bunch (outside of Bortuzzo).

Letang-Harrington
Pouliot-Maata
Bortuzzo-Dumoulin

That's the softest blueline in the league in a few years.

Some of these guys will be traded I'm sure but this is why you plug them in and get them playing when you can. Despres has been delayed almost a year now and here he is butting up against the incoming Harrington (perhaps). The development of our young dmen, our #1 draft picks is being delayed by guys like Lovejoy, Engel, and Eaton?

I appreciate the asset management aspect of this whole thing. Stockpile skilled dmen and then trade the ones who you don't want to keep. Trade skilled D for wingers as necessary. Repeat as needed. At some point though 2, 3, or 4 of these young guys are going to be in the lineup together. Bylsma doesn't love young players, I'm not sure how that will work out or how they will be transitioned into the lineup.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:54 am

All 5 of those guys aren't going to make it. The Pens will be lucky if 2 make it to the roster and they can get something for another in a trade.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby cheesesteakwithegg on Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:08 am

When the Pens lost to the B's, everyone wanted change. With the retention of practically everyone who was here before the big acquisitions, it's pretty apparent that the Pens want to give it a shot with this team once again, and go from there. They had the second best record in the league before bringing in Iggy, Morrow, and Murray, and while it was worth it to go get those guys based on their cap situation, I think management may feel that they shouldn't have shaken the roster up so much, and want to give it one more go with this team (hence the lack of change).

If they fall short next year, I expect major changes (Fleury, Orpik, Sutter, Niskanen will all be gone). But for now, I can buy into keeping this team together.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby MRandall25 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:11 am

The Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup with virtually the same team that lost to the Coyotes in the 1st round last year.

Sometimes the best change is minor; mentality, approach, etc. The roster itself may not reflect change, but we may have to wait till the season starts to see this "change", if any.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby penny lane on Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:14 am

I hope GM Shero will work out a deal that keeps Brooks a penguin until retirement.
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