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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sat May 04, 2013 3:23 pm

tfrizz wrote:
Henry Hank wrote:The Pens will win this series, the Isles are not good. But the concern is what will happen when the Pens face a team that is halfway good or better. Last night better have been getting some stupid out of their system now or it's going to be the same playoff disappointment upcoming against a lesser team. They aren't going to win every game, obviously, but when they lose games because they are getting outworked and because of dumb things like Fleury putting pucks in his own net, it's not a good sign. In the 2009 Cup run, much of the time when they lost they were still "outplaying" the other team. They had a couple stinkers in there but not this early. It's a bad sign that it's only two games and the ugly is already coming out. This is a veteran team, it needs to stop now.

Fleury does something like that again on the fourth goal and they need to go to Vokoun. I think that's why they got him, no? They can't mess around with Fleury spazzing.

Simply put, if the go with Vokoun tomorrow they have to go all in and ride him through the playoffs. It'll mess with Fleury's head way too much to be able to go back with him.

I'm of a different mindset on this. The way the Pens handled MAF is first few years, with the yo-yo back and forth between WBS and Pittsburgh, I think he's mentally strong enough to deal with being pulled and then re-inserted. I'm more worried about his in-game composure last night.
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby Sarcastic on Sat May 04, 2013 4:17 pm

Our guys better pull their heads out of their asses because, with our roster, games like last night can't happen. Blame goes to everyone, including the coach. What should have happened is a timeout and some yelling at our players to wake up. I am not panicking after one loss, but if we lose the next one....

Isles can skate and score so, if we're not careful, we'll make it more difficult than it should be. Last night did look similar to what happened against Philly a year ago. I want 100% passion and commitment to team work and system, and I think that's Bylsma's job to get to these guys.
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby RisslingsMissingTeeth on Sat May 04, 2013 4:25 pm

I have no doubt that the Pens will win this series but Ray's philosophy of going with a bunch of old men for the playoffs really seemed to stick out last night. The Pens lost almost every foot race and had almost no puck possession time outside of Sid's line. If the Isles really want this series and are willing to skate and work hard for it, it will be their's for the taking. I just don't think you can make a young team play that smart for a whole series.

My only thing. I love BB, probably more than most, but he was doing a LOT of standing around. I would just go ahead and put TK in for the next game since he has to be pretty fired up right now.
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby pens2005 on Sat May 04, 2013 4:34 pm

The isles are good. That's the problem. Fans must be thinking like the players...

If you think you're better than your opponent you've already lost.

This series is tied 1-1. To think we will still steamroll over this team is downright ignorant and is the issue this team has had the past 4 seasons.
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby Eismann on Sat May 04, 2013 4:40 pm

Isles played a tremendous game. Most of their transition game was one pass out, one up, in the Pens zone on the rush.
Isles board work was just as good.
Nabokov's brain was goo in the first but Pens couldnt get the kill.
Pens cycled the puck once, late in the third. Because they couldn't hold offensive zone possession at all the rest of the game.
MAF was gold early. Isles got four pretty lucky goals.
Pens need to hard the EFF up, stat.
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby Beveridge on Sat May 04, 2013 5:03 pm

pens2005 wrote:The isles are good. That's the problem. Fans must be thinking like the players...

If you think you're better than your opponent you've already lost.

This series is tied 1-1. To think we will still steamroll over this team is downright ignorant and is the issue this team has had the past 4 seasons.



Why do fans think the players think like them? I would bet my life that they didn't think nor think they would steam roll the Islanders.
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby nocera on Sat May 04, 2013 5:11 pm

A dominate performance in game one,
combined with Crosby returning, it's not hard to see why there was a let down. Positive thing is NY played their best game and Pens played their worst yet Pens were still a lucky bounce away from winning.

Game 3 should look a lot different.
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby Nizzy on Sat May 04, 2013 6:14 pm

i literally LOL'ed at the guy that said put Crosby and Malkin together.

let it go
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby DelPen on Sat May 04, 2013 6:52 pm

No one was doing the little things right. No one. As much as I dog Bylsma he tried adjustments and the players just didn't work.
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby Nizzy on Sat May 04, 2013 7:11 pm

DelPen wrote:No one was doing the little things right. No one. As much as I dog Bylsma he tried adjustments and the players just didn't work.


Kunitz needs to stay with Malkin. Malkin needs him more than Sid.

Dupuis Crosby Iginla
Kunitz Malkin Bennett
Morrow Sutter Cooke
Adams Jokinen Glass

Did I miss anyone?
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby Headshot77 on Sat May 04, 2013 7:47 pm

Nizzy wrote:
Kunitz needs to stay with Malkin. Malkin needs him more than Sid.

Dupuis Crosby Iginla
Kunitz Malkin Bennett
Morrow Sutter Cooke
Adams Jokinen Glass

Did I miss anyone?


Nope, you nailed it. Neal-Malkin-Iginla was just failcity. It managed to turn Iginla into a power play specialist when he can be (and is) a lot more than that.
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby Pitt87 on Sat May 04, 2013 8:31 pm

They got pucks on the net and got rewarded for it.

Next game... Shots on net, and be better on the PP.
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby relantel on Sat May 04, 2013 8:39 pm

I'm guessing by lack of news that the League did nothing about Okposo leaving the bench to start a fight, that which got Godard 10 games two years ago?
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby Orlando Penguin on Sat May 04, 2013 9:12 pm

Okposo was on the ice when he fought Niskanen.

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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Sun May 05, 2013 12:29 am

I think it's pretty simple what happened:

-Pens dominated game 1

-Pens came out strong in period 1 of game 2

-After Period 1, the Pens thought it would be a cakewalk and sat back.

-Isles came to play and exploited the Penguins letting up.

This is not me being a homer, but the Penguins are a far superior to the NYI. That being said, the NYI are no joke. Despite being the 8th seed, they are better than a simple bubble team. They are a team that the Penguins can/should both dispose of quickly and bite them in the *** if they lay back.

What happened in Game 2? They sat back after the first period. Poor coverage, no drive(aside from Sid and Gino) and the desperation came too late. I'm not trying to take anything away from the Islanders by making excuses for the Penguins, but if the Penguins simply played tight for the rest of the game they would have held on.

The Penguins need to play like it's game 7 every single game. They've been like this for a while and try to rest on their laurels...that doesn't work. This is the NHL and as the saying in sports goes: any given sunday. I know that applies to Football, but it's really for all Pro Sports. You can't walk into any game without thinking you have chance of losing.
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby scpensfan on Sun May 05, 2013 1:46 am

The only thing I don't understand is how ...
-- nearly everyone here was talking about how the effort in period 1 wasn't good enough.
-- nearly every beat writer was pointing out that the effort wasn't good enough
-- players interviewed after the period pointed out the effort wasn't good enough

And, somehow, nothing changed.
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby Bioshock on Sun May 05, 2013 1:59 am

The one thing that freaks me out going forward is Iginla and his lack of chemistry with Geno. I mean TOTAL LACK OF CHEMISTRY. They simply can't play together. I have never seen two players with talent such as that not even being in the same zip code mentally. Honestly, i don't give a crap what Crosby wants, i would make him play with Iginla and move Kunitz down to the second line while placing Bennett on the RW with Geno. That way you have proven chemistry and no one is out of position.

I normally wouldn't be so quick to pull the trigger on something like that but Iginla was at RW on Friday. And it was goddamn painful to watch. He was even at his natural position so that speaks even more volumes as to how badly he is suited to playing with Geno.
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby Pens4Life on Sun May 05, 2013 4:47 am

Bioshock wrote:The one thing that freaks me out going forward is Iginla and his lack of chemistry with Geno. I mean TOTAL LACK OF CHEMISTRY. They simply can't play together. I have never seen two players with talent such as that not even being in the same zip code mentally. Honestly, i don't give a crap what Crosby wants, i would make him play with Iginla and move Kunitz down to the second line while placing Bennett on the RW with Geno. That way you have proven chemistry and no one is out of position.

I normally wouldn't be so quick to pull the trigger on something like that but Iginla was at RW on Friday. And it was goddamn painful to watch. He was even at his natural position so that speaks even more volumes as to how badly he is suited to playing with Geno.

exactly :thumb:
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby Big Easy Pens Fan on Sun May 05, 2013 7:50 am

TrueNorth wrote:I think Bylsma erred in giving Sid so much ice time given that he hasn't played in a month, has had minimal practice time with the team, has not yet healed from his injuries and surgery, and has not yet gotten 100% healthy in terms of his overall conditioning. Add to that that his first game back would be an intense playoff game against a team that would be desperate and loaded for bear. His TOI was 23:21, with only Letang (29:04) and Martin (23:43) having more. Although he came out like a house on fire with two quick goals, his energy level--which is often what sparks the team--clearly, and understandably, was not where it needs to be, and his more subdued presence almost seemed to set the tone for the rest of the players. I was especially struck by his rather low-key response to both of his goals, and, come to think of it, I don't recall seeing a real smile from him throughout the game.


I had to wonder about the last part of the last sentence. KInda hard to really smile when 1/2 of your lower teeth are no longer there. :face:

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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby Tico Rick on Sun May 05, 2013 9:39 am

Bioshock wrote:The one thing that freaks me out going forward is Iginla and his lack of chemistry with Geno. I mean TOTAL LACK OF CHEMISTRY. They simply can't play together. I have never seen two players with talent such as that not even being in the same zip code mentally. Honestly, i don't give a crap what Crosby wants, i would make him play with Iginla and move Kunitz down to the second line while placing Bennett on the RW with Geno. That way you have proven chemistry and no one is out of position.

I normally wouldn't be so quick to pull the trigger on something like that but Iginla was at RW on Friday. And it was goddamn painful to watch. He was even at his natural position so that speaks even more volumes as to how badly he is suited to playing with Geno.


I agree, Iginla and Malkin don't work that well, but Malkin does pass to him occasionally - something he never does with Bennett. I'd also prefer to see Iginla with Sid. DB should make the switch before Crysby can jawbone him into keeping him with Kunitz and Dupuis. :D

Jokinen is too valuable to be only getting fourth line minutes. DB needs to find room for him somewhere in the top two lines.

Kunitz Sid Iginla
Jokinen/Bennett Geno Dupuis
Morrow Sutter Cooke
Bennett Adams Glass
Adams Jokinen Glass
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby Gaucho on Sun May 05, 2013 9:40 am

Shoot me, but I wouldn't mind seeing TK today.
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby columbia on Sun May 05, 2013 9:41 am

I'm ok with Iginla only have four points in two games.
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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sun May 05, 2013 9:42 am

Gaucho wrote:Shoot me, but I wouldn't mind seeing TK today.

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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby Big Easy Pens Fan on Sun May 05, 2013 9:57 am

Okay, how many of you would have bet that if both Geno & Sid broke their goalless streaks vs Nabakov in the same game that the Pens would lose that game? :roll:

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Re: '13 Playoffs Game 2 vs NYI - Thoughts from the Morning A

Postby pcm on Sun May 05, 2013 9:57 am

I actually thought Malkin and Iginla finally had a little something going in game 2, but that said, I don't think they should stick together at all. As I've said before, Malkin has a wild temperment, Iginla is cool and collected. They're like fire and ice...

But most of all, Iggy and Crosby seem destined to play together. I feel like Blysma is screwing around with the hockey gods by keeping them apart. I mean, it's ridiculous. Sid comes back, scores right away with an assist from Iggy on the PP... Will bad things continue to happen until Blsyma puts them together? :evil:
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