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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Froggy on Mon May 06, 2013 12:26 pm

yeah, you take the good with the bad from Letang. he's earned that.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby pfim on Mon May 06, 2013 12:29 pm

Despres is 21 and has played about 120 pro games. He showed yesterday why he wasn't in the lineup, but let's not go overboard here.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby meow on Mon May 06, 2013 12:31 pm

Froggy wrote:yeah, you take the good with the bad from Letang. he's earned that.

Can we say that for Malkin, please? When you handle the puck as much as these guys, turnovers are going to happen. Let's not dwell on them.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby columbia on Mon May 06, 2013 12:32 pm

We'll have a better handle on Despres after another 200 NHL games; there's no need to worry about him now.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Froggy on Mon May 06, 2013 12:32 pm

meow wrote:
Froggy wrote:yeah, you take the good with the bad from Letang. he's earned that.

Can we say that for Malkin, please? When you handle the puck as much as these guys, turnovers are going to happen. Let's not dwell on them.


i don't have a real problem with malkin's sloppiness, but his lack of production this year, particularly at even strength, is troubling.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby meow on Mon May 06, 2013 12:35 pm

Froggy wrote:
meow wrote:
Froggy wrote:yeah, you take the good with the bad from Letang. he's earned that.

Can we say that for Malkin, please? When you handle the puck as much as these guys, turnovers are going to happen. Let's not dwell on them.


i don't have a real problem with malkin's sloppiness, but his lack of production this year, particularly at even strength, is troubling.

Him having to drag Iginla around 5 on 5 doesn't help his ES production.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Mon May 06, 2013 12:38 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:Despres is 21 years old. Saying that he "never has" done anything is about 3-4 years premature.


Really? 3-4 years at high level minor league or WBS and he never played well defensively and that is premature? How much time do you need to make the statement then if he sucked at the same thing the entire time?

Can he get better and develop? Sure, of course he can. But he has had plenty of experiences to make a judgement now and has never been good in his own end so while are people surprised or blaming the coach?

This isn't out of the blue. He was scratched at WBS last year for this same issue, but now it's like "OMG what happened".
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby pfim on Mon May 06, 2013 12:49 pm

BurghersAndDogsSports wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Despres is 21 years old. Saying that he "never has" done anything is about 3-4 years premature.


Really? 3-4 years at high level minor league or WBS and he never played well defensively and that is premature? How much time do you need to make the statement then if he sucked at the same thing the entire time?

Can he get better and develop? Sure, of course he can. But he has had plenty of experiences to make a judgement now and has never been good in his own end so while are people surprised or blaming the coach?

This isn't out of the blue. He was scratched at WBS last year for this same issue, but now it's like "OMG what happened".


How many 21 year old defensemen do you know that play well positionally most of the time at the NHL level? If everyone is being honest here, I'm sure you could name them on one hand.

Brooks Oprik didn't figure out positioning until he was 26 or 27. He was so bad at one point he played forward. This isn't a new phenomena.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby meow on Mon May 06, 2013 12:50 pm

For the record, Orpik's postioning at wing was also terrible.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Mon May 06, 2013 12:59 pm

pfim wrote:
BurghersAndDogsSports wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Despres is 21 years old. Saying that he "never has" done anything is about 3-4 years premature.


Really? 3-4 years at high level minor league or WBS and he never played well defensively and that is premature? How much time do you need to make the statement then if he sucked at the same thing the entire time?

Can he get better and develop? Sure, of course he can. But he has had plenty of experiences to make a judgement now and has never been good in his own end so while are people surprised or blaming the coach?

This isn't out of the blue. He was scratched at WBS last year for this same issue, but now it's like "OMG what happened".


How many 21 year old defensemen do you know that play well positionally most of the time at the NHL level? If everyone is being honest here, I'm sure you could name them on one hand.

Brooks Oprik didn't figure out positioning until he was 26 or 27. He was so bad at one point he played forward. This isn't a new phenomena.


Separate argument. I'm saying why are people surprised now, he has sucked in his own end his entire career. Why would HCDB playing him in 10 more games this season change anything for this playoff series?

His confidence would be better seems to be a prevailing sentiment and its crap. He is what he is right now.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon May 06, 2013 1:00 pm

Orpik being at forward was one of the most exciting things ever.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Penspal on Mon May 06, 2013 1:49 pm

I think the biggest issue with Despres right now is confidence. If HCDB could be found faulty in anything its that he's held Despres back (less playing time) and its cost Despres the chance to build confidence. The kid has the skill, and hopefully the Pens can break free of the Isles (big leads) and let Despres get some mistake free playoff minutes under his belt.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby MRandall25 on Mon May 06, 2013 2:16 pm

Confidence won't stop Despres from tripping over himself. He has been doing that since March.

Bylsma can't win with some of you. "PLAY HIM MORE", then when Despres plays like the rookie he is, "SHOULDVE PLAYES HIM AT HOME".

Why can't you just admit that Despres isn't that good yet, and no amount of PT would've solved his innate ability to trip over himself all the time?
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon May 06, 2013 3:35 pm

Despres looked shaky at the beginning and used his size to make some nice plays later in the game.

As far as the Bylsma cant win comment, I am failing to see the contradiction in saying "Play him more" then saying "should have played him more".

No one has to admit anything. There are 6 skaters on the team who are better than him, and the guy that he replaced wasn't one of them.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Scott on Mon May 06, 2013 5:21 pm

Penspal wrote:I think the biggest issue with Despres right now is confidence. If HCDB could be found faulty in anything its that he's held Despres back (less playing time) and its cost Despres the chance to build confidence. The kid has the skill, and hopefully the Pens can break free of the Isles (big leads) and let Despres get some mistake free playoff minutes under his belt.


But that is just it. The mistakes are going to happen. I'm a realist. Nobody including forwards play mistake free hockey first few playoff attempts.

The key here is putting him in situations (starting at home) that are a bit more controlled than on the road. Line changes, the environment..etc etc where the mistakes can be kept to a relative minimum.

It's ignorant that people expect him to be larry murphy...not in a few years mind you but he damn well better play like Murphy/coffey/Ulf/Zubov...today. That is ridiculous.

What Bylsma did was give throwing one into the fire expression a whole new level.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Gaucho on Mon May 06, 2013 5:48 pm

Yes, the mistakes are going to happen. Let them happen in the regular season, please.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Froggy on Tue May 07, 2013 6:42 am

I think despres played himself out of the lineup regardless of his pedigree, his potential, or who the coach is.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue May 07, 2013 7:59 am

Are they dressing 5 then, are they going with Bortuzzo, or are they dressing 5?
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