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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Lt. Dish on Sun May 05, 2013 9:45 pm

Eismann wrote:He fall down and go boom at home a lot, too.


Then let's put in my 2 year-old nephew in! How much worse could he be?
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Malkamaniac on Sun May 05, 2013 9:45 pm

Gaucho wrote:
Malkamaniac wrote:To be honest, I liked Despres game after this initial start. He seemed to calm down, but that start was awful.


Did he even play after the 1st?


Sporadically I believe. I'm still with Despres over the Engo movement. It's his first game, gotta start somewhere. It's hilarious though, that our "depth" on defense gets bragged about in the regular season, and lauded in the play-offs. Which really further proves that it doesn't matter what you do to get into the extra games, just as long as you get there.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby skullman80 on Sun May 05, 2013 10:03 pm

Despres took 4 shifts in both periods one and two...and one shift in period 3. None in OT. Just a rough game for him.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby MRandall25 on Sun May 05, 2013 10:06 pm

skullman80 wrote:Despres took 4 shifts in both periods one and two...and one shift in period 3. None in OT. Just a rough game for him.


He fell on just about every shift.

#DespresDown
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Kovy27 on Sun May 05, 2013 10:15 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
skullman80 wrote:Despres took 4 shifts in both periods one and two...and one shift in period 3. None in OT. Just a rough game for him.


He fell on just about every shift.

#DespresDown


Despres is not ready for the playoffs. He should not step on the ice again the rest of the way.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby SolidSnake on Sun May 05, 2013 10:17 pm

There's no point of dressing Despres if he's not gonna play. That's just gonna hurt the team playing with 5 D all game. You might as well go back with Engelland or scratch Glass and go with 7 D.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby shmenguin on Sun May 05, 2013 10:21 pm

i think the plan was to give depres regular shifts. but the plan changed when he crapped all over his zone.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby slappybrown on Sun May 05, 2013 10:33 pm

Rylan wrote:lol

At this whole thread
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby slappybrown on Sun May 05, 2013 10:37 pm

Kovy27 wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:
skullman80 wrote:Despres took 4 shifts in both periods one and two...and one shift in period 3. None in OT. Just a rough game for him.


He fell on just about every shift.

#DespresDown


Despres is not ready for the playoffs. He should not step on the ice again the rest of the way.

His performance today can't and shouldn't be dumpe on Bylsma failing to appreciate that Despres wasn't ready for a hostile environment. Didn't Despres play 2 or 3 games in last years dumpster fire versus Philly, including on the road? IIRC correctly, he was one of the few non disasters on our blue line in that series in the couple of games he played.

This isn't Bylsma's fault, and particularly after the braying masses demanded Despres play and man oh man Byslma is stupid, for people to try to somehow make this about the coach is jackie chan hands to head dot gif
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Froggy on Sun May 05, 2013 10:49 pm

bylsma is stupid for benching despres AND playing despres. how can he win?


despres was baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad on both of those first 2 goals. he's gonna be real good, just not this year. hopefully brooks is ready to go because i really dont want nisky, engelland or despres in the top 4. i thought murray struggled in his own end a bit the last 2 games as well.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Stick_Flex on Sun May 05, 2013 11:45 pm

Froggy wrote:bylsma is stupid for benching despres AND playing despres. how can he win?


despres was baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad on both of those first 2 goals. he's gonna be real good, just not this year. hopefully brooks is ready to go because i really dont want nisky, engelland or despres in the top 4. i thought murray struggled in his own end a bit the last 2 games as well.


Murray has struggled in his own end since he has got here. Some nights I was scratching my head when people were raving. Still, he is the god of thunder and you got to love him.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Staggy on Sun May 05, 2013 11:56 pm

skullman80 wrote:Despres took 4 shifts in both periods one and two...and one shift in period 3. None in OT. Just a rough game for him.


Well that explains why I thought he looked better after the 1st.

Last game me and my buddy were *****ing about how Despres couldn't possibly play any worse than Engo. Halfway through the 1st we were begging for Engo back.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby The U on Mon May 06, 2013 12:13 am

It figures as soon as Orpik is out, everyone else falls apart.

Nisky has been real good all year and as soon as the postseason starts he starts slipping. Been sub par.

Engel was solid all year until last game. Despres was good 1/2 the season then started slipping.

If the NYI weren't possessing the puck all game and spending up to 3 minutes in a row in our zone we might not notice some of the poor defensive play. At times today I had to look at the corner of the screen to confirm the Islanders weren't on a Powerplay that I somehow missed. Their puck possession vs us right now is like what we saw years ago in the Pens vs Wings series' where we went 2-3 minutes at a time without touching a puck.

Not sure what's wrong with Orpik but even if he's not 100% he's gotta come back ASAP.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon May 06, 2013 8:02 am

Despres started bad and then I thought he looked good. Also, when he was playing bad, he wasn't as much of a detriment as Engelland was in game 2.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Mon May 06, 2013 8:14 am

This is more of a validation of The Pens not having confidence in him all season. Sure you could say he needs to play to iron things out but everything is magnified in the playoffs, he was making a lot of the same mistakes all year that just were not as noticeable. And he was doing the same for years at WBS.

At the beginning of the season I asked around on this board who had seen him play at WBS because I had not, but the reports were not good and they were overwhelming. He was even benched. A lot of the responses were that he had done well in a brief stint in the NHL, he isn't an AHL type player, he is elite and so forth and on and on.

I was even argued against because I was worried about everything I was reading. I believe Mikey responded to me by saying that some games you had no idea what he was doing on the ice, nor did he.

I'm not saying I was right or bragging in my scouting skills, I never saw him play in WBS it was all reports. But maybe, just maybe he simply isn't very good in his own end and can be worked over. And all this over analyzing is just that, everyone holding onto to an elite prospect who just simply isn't. He is a guy who couldn't play defense in the minors and now is a guy who can play defense in the nhl.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby ziggo on Mon May 06, 2013 9:08 am

Exactly. He (England) didn't have two cross checking penalties at bad times (part of momentum change of game 2) The dude (Despres) ain't played in forever. He actually made some calm plays passes...oh wait. The guy is a rookie, except for last year, when he played against the Flyers, and most aproved of his performence. Eaton gave up a goal, Murray. Despres doesn't get better with experience, by letting him play, with upside? England will improve with experience. True or False? Despres is a young guy who, played with alot of the young Islanders. The guy can improve with experience ?
The Penguins are going to lose, because of Simon Despres ? Or, the experience, plus the talent level, plus playing with (take your pick). Yeah, he can't improve, right. Yeah, England is still raw ? also. If this were my team, (and I'm glad Bennett got a regular shift (for most of the game) He had a shift near the end, where he put it all out, on the forecheck. Its just a matter of time and experience. How do you get experience. Despres made some mistakes in his own end. So did Letang, Murray, Eaton, Niskenan (early, I think he tightend it up as the game went on. In my mind, Despres has upside, England has topped out. On my team, I play Despres, because upside and talent wins out in the end. Oh, and for the guy that said Inginla doen't play among the boards. He must of heard you. I have watched Inginla, throughout his career. He has lost a step. He had a great forecheck game. Hockey is such a game of eb & flow, strange bounces, predictability, and non-predictability. Bounces, bad bounces. I liked, in the third, Bennett got aggresive, did a couple of little things, but it was obvious to me, his dedication and talent. Did anyone else notice. One tooth, every game. There is no script, no fairytale. Whoever wants it more.......
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Froggy on Mon May 06, 2013 9:24 am

Hopefully Brooks is back soon so it's a moot point. Then there can be another thread about Bennett getting benched for Neal.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Dickie Dunn on Mon May 06, 2013 10:05 am

ziggo wrote:Exactly. He (England) didn't have two cross checking penalties at bad times (part of momentum change of game 2) The dude (Despres) ain't played in forever. He actually made some calm plays passes...oh wait. The guy is a rookie, except for last year, when he played against the Flyers, and most aproved of his performence. Eaton gave up a goal, Murray. Despres doesn't get better with experience, by letting him play, with upside? England will improve with experience. True or False? Despres is a young guy who, played with alot of the young Islanders. The guy can improve with experience ?
The Penguins are going to lose, because of Simon Despres ? Or, the experience, plus the talent level, plus playing with (take your pick). Yeah, he can't improve, right. Yeah, England is still raw ? also. If this were my team, (and I'm glad Bennett got a regular shift (for most of the game) He had a shift near the end, where he put it all out, on the forecheck. Its just a matter of time and experience. How do you get experience. Despres made some mistakes in his own end. So did Letang, Murray, Eaton, Niskenan (early, I think he tightend it up as the game went on. In my mind, Despres has upside, England has topped out. On my team, I play Despres, because upside and talent wins out in the end. Oh, and for the guy that said Inginla doen't play among the boards. He must of heard you. I have watched Inginla, throughout his career. He has lost a step. He had a great forecheck game. Hockey is such a game of eb & flow, strange bounces, predictability, and non-predictability. Bounces, bad bounces. I liked, in the third, Bennett got aggresive, did a couple of little things, but it was obvious to me, his dedication and talent. Did anyone else notice. One tooth, every game. There is no script, no fairytale. Whoever wants it more.......
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Right on mate. :thumb: England is a bad investment at this point, but I'd stay away from the entire Eurozone in general.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Malkamaniac on Mon May 06, 2013 10:15 am

Won't matter when Orpik comes back I suppose.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby DelPen on Mon May 06, 2013 11:02 am

It's a shame this wasn't an 82 game season where Despres would have 60+ game sunder his belt and he would have been prepared for the playoffs. Bortuzzo too. But as it stands Engellend needs to be in. Stakes are too high and neither Bortuzzo nor Despres are a specialist and orpik isn't really either except for PK time and at least Engellend is a similar player to Orpik.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Mon May 06, 2013 12:14 pm

Despres is like Murray for this fan base. They do a few things well so everyone gets blinded to the fact they do a lot (and I mean a lot) bad out there. Despres looks smooth and fluid and makes some nice outlet passes., Dougy Boy knocks people around.......

......it seems people miss that they don't play overall defense well. Desprese never has really. Not in WBS, not much in the NHL. He was drafted 4 years ago, he should have learned by now to at least be close to position. He hasn't, if he would have played every game this year he might look worse at the NYI might have even better scouting on him.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby midd on Mon May 06, 2013 12:19 pm

Did no one see Letang's poor performance in his own zone the entire game yesterday? Giveaway after giveaway, passes to the Isles skates. He spent too much time joining the rush that he should have just played wing the whole game. As matter of fact he pretty much did!
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon May 06, 2013 12:20 pm

Despres is 21 years old. Saying that he "never has" done anything is about 3-4 years premature.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby skullman80 on Mon May 06, 2013 12:23 pm

Despres has plenty of time left to mature, he's not even at the age yet that D-men are normally fully ready for NHL duty(there are exceptions). I think his progress has been fine so far. He got thrown into the fire yesterday and didn't play well. He's young, it happens.. as long as he learns from it. Being in a top 6 role consistently next year should do wonders for him.
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Re: Despres and Bylsma

Postby skullman80 on Mon May 06, 2013 12:24 pm

midd wrote:Did no one see Letang's poor performance in his own zone the entire game yesterday? Giveaway after giveaway, passes to the Isles skates. He spent too much time joining the rush that he should have just played wing the whole game. As matter of fact he pretty much did!


Letang has one of his holy crap bad games yesterday that happens ever so often.
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