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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby Scott on Tue May 07, 2013 3:16 pm

Congrats.

Letang IMO is the greatest skater in the NHL. Not the fastest mind you but his multi-directional skating with some decent speed are second to none.
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby pcm on Tue May 07, 2013 4:06 pm

Pitt87 wrote:
pcm wrote:Letang's new contract won't kick in until Niskanen and Orpik (and Engelland) are all up for new ones. At that point, you look at guys like Despres, Harrington, Dumoulin to take those spots. Maybe Orpik signs a vet contract to finish out his career as a Pen, but he won't be making top 4 $.


Two questions... What is a 'vet contract', and why would a player take less money than he's worth in his prime earning years, which for Brooksy is the first contract after he wins a cup and gets selected for the US National team?


A vet contract is a contract signed for a player who's 35+ through the majority of its term. Brooks will be 34 when he starts his next contract. He could sign a 2 year deal for probably similar salary to what he's currently paid. Or he could sign a "vet deal", something like 5 years, where he gets paid $3.5 m the first two, then that drops down to $2m or thereabouts, averaging out to < 2.5 cap hit, and he retires a Penguin.
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby TheHammer24 on Tue May 07, 2013 4:11 pm

llipgh2 wrote:
Gaucho wrote:Penguins fans, proudly diminishing their own players' accomplishments since 1967.


No, I think it's great he was nominated. But it really is an award for a offensive d-man. Stay at home guys need love too. :lol:

There's an offensive component, sure, but Suter is a nominee and Chara recently won it. Lidstrom won it perennially. Mike Green did not. Are these nominees really outrageous.
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby sniper on Tue May 07, 2013 7:10 pm

tfrizz wrote:
slappybrown wrote:Suter's pretty much a lock.


Pretty sure the trophy is already in Subban's possession.


Subban shouldn't be a finalist. The guy is a complete power play specialist on a team that had 60 more minutes of power play time during the season than the Penguins. Seriously an entire game more of power play time. Subban isn't even a top 30 offensive producer among d-men in the league. I think Suter wins it and Subban finishes second, which is a complete joke. Subban had the same amount of even strength points as Niskanen, who was third on Pittsburgh (Martin had 14 in 8 less games than Subban) with 12. Letang lead the league by 5 in even strength points with 25 while playing 35 games. On top of that Montreal was 4th in the league in goals scored so it's not like Subban was playing on a team that struggles to score 5 on 5. He simply doesn't produce there.
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby Mr. Colby on Tue May 07, 2013 11:22 pm

pcm wrote:
Pitt87 wrote:
pcm wrote:Letang's new contract won't kick in until Niskanen and Orpik (and Engelland) are all up for new ones. At that point, you look at guys like Despres, Harrington, Dumoulin to take those spots. Maybe Orpik signs a vet contract to finish out his career as a Pen, but he won't be making top 4 $.


Two questions... What is a 'vet contract', and why would a player take less money than he's worth in his prime earning years, which for Brooksy is the first contract after he wins a cup and gets selected for the US National team?


A vet contract is a contract signed for a player who's 35+ through the majority of its term. Brooks will be 34 when he starts his next contract. He could sign a 2 year deal for probably similar salary to what he's currently paid. Or he could sign a "vet deal", something like 5 years, where he gets paid $3.5 m the first two, then that drops down to $2m or thereabouts, averaging out to < 2.5 cap hit, and he retires a Penguin.


5-year deal seems sensible for a 34 year old whose best days are behind him
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby farnham16 on Tue May 07, 2013 11:53 pm

Letang makes a mockery of the Norris Trophy with his performance and attitude tonight.
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby MRandall25 on Wed May 08, 2013 12:01 am

Letang cross-checked the ref.

I have no words.
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby farnham16 on Wed May 08, 2013 12:12 am

MRandall25 wrote:Letang cross-checked the ref.

I have no words.


Scratch him next game. I'm dead serious. You really have to. I understand its the playoffs and I understand who he is, but this cannot be tolerated.
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby MRandall25 on Wed May 08, 2013 12:17 am

I wouldn't shed a tear if he was suspended for the rest of these series and possibly more.

I kinda hope he wins the Norris, so he prices himself out of here and becomes someone else's problem. He needs serious mental help.
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby farnham16 on Wed May 08, 2013 12:24 am

MRandall25 wrote:I wouldn't shed a tear if he was suspended for the rest of these series and possibly more.

I kinda hope he wins the Norris, so he prices himself out of here and becomes someone else's problem. He needs serious mental help.


Yeah would you give a guy who cross checks officials a ton of money? I sure as hell wouldn't.
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby MRandall25 on Wed May 08, 2013 12:36 am

The obvious rebuttal is "he's good", but I can't help but wonder if he is part of this team's mentality problem. All it takes is 1 guy.

He reminds me of the kid in little league or whatever who thought he could do nothing wrong because of his skill, then threw a fit/ignored when someone tried to offer criticism of his game or called a foul/penalty on him because he thought he was too good to make mistakes.
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby PhantomJB93 on Wed May 08, 2013 12:50 am

If he is suspended or benched in this series we've already lost. I know he hasn't been great defensively but step back and imagine this team, which is already making us rip our hair out, without Letang and with Despres or Engelland again. Ugh.

I know he should be suspended but right now I care more about making it out of this round and hope he somehow gets out of it. But it is unacceptable.
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby ville5 on Wed May 08, 2013 4:46 am

MRandall25 wrote:The obvious rebuttal is "he's good", but I can't help but wonder if he is part of this team's mentality problem. All it takes is 1 guy.

He reminds me of the kid in little league or whatever who thought he could do nothing wrong because of his skill, then threw a fit/ignored when someone tried to offer criticism of his game or called a foul/penalty on him because he thought he was too good to make mistakes.

He would bring a helluva return in a trade. Not that I'm advocating one. Not sure how much more growth he has as a player. Even if the positive traits he had are exceptional.
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby Easton on Wed May 08, 2013 5:25 am

For all the good Letang did in the regular season and in Game 1, he's been worse than Engo in Games 2, 3 and 4. Utter crap. Game 3, I think, was the worst. He passed it into the shins and sticks of at least, the very least, 10 Islander players -- many of these at his own blue line. He has to pick it up, big time.
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby DelPen on Wed May 08, 2013 6:03 am

PhantomJB93 wrote:If he is suspended or benched in this series we've already lost. I know he hasn't been great defensively but step back and imagine this team, which is already making us rip our hair out, without Letang and with Despres or Engelland again. Ugh.

I know he should be suspended but right now I care more about making it out of this round and hope he somehow gets out of it. But it is unacceptable.

Funny thing we did fine without him and Martin for a stretch against better teams.
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby Pitt87 on Thu May 09, 2013 8:57 am

pcm wrote:
Pitt87 wrote:
pcm wrote:Letang's new contract won't kick in until Niskanen and Orpik (and Engelland) are all up for new ones. At that point, you look at guys like Despres, Harrington, Dumoulin to take those spots. Maybe Orpik signs a vet contract to finish out his career as a Pen, but he won't be making top 4 $.


Two questions... What is a 'vet contract', and why would a player take less money than he's worth in his prime earning years, which for Brooksy is the first contract after he wins a cup and gets selected for the US National team?


A vet contract is a contract signed for a player who's 35+ through the majority of its term. Brooks will be 34 when he starts his next contract. He could sign a 2 year deal for probably similar salary to what he's currently paid. Or he could sign a "vet deal", something like 5 years, where he gets paid $3.5 m the first two, then that drops down to $2m or thereabouts, averaging out to < 2.5 cap hit, and he retires a Penguin.


No mention of this in the CBA... If you mean the "Over 35" rule, I don't see how it would benefit us to sign him for longer since it just means he can retire and hit our cap for the duration of his deal.

What you're proposing here would violate the new variability rules of the new CBA. $1.5 million is ~42% of $3.5 million., and a player cannot make more than 35% less than what the Year 1 salary is.
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby Gaucho on Thu May 09, 2013 9:11 am

DelPen wrote:
PhantomJB93 wrote:If he is suspended or benched in this series we've already lost. I know he hasn't been great defensively but step back and imagine this team, which is already making us rip our hair out, without Letang and with Despres or Engelland again. Ugh.

I know he should be suspended but right now I care more about making it out of this round and hope he somehow gets out of it. But it is unacceptable.

Funny thing we did fine without him and Martin for a stretch against better teams.


I don't think we did, regardless of results. Our transition game was nonexistent and we had a hard time getting any offense going at all at even strength.
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Re: Kris Letang, Norris finalist

Postby Pitt87 on Thu May 09, 2013 9:34 am

MRandall25 wrote:
Pitt87 wrote:
pcm wrote:Letang's new contract won't kick in until Niskanen and Orpik (and Engelland) are all up for new ones. At that point, you look at guys like Despres, Harrington, Dumoulin to take those spots. Maybe Orpik signs a vet contract to finish out his career as a Pen, but he won't be making top 4 $.


Two questions... What is a 'vet contract', and why would a player take less money than he's worth in his prime earning years, which for Brooksy is the first contract after he wins a cup and gets selected for the US National team?


By that same logic, why did Letang only sign an extension for $3.5 mil when he could've waited a year and made bank?


He was RFA... IIRC, he didn't get a blockbuster offer sheet from anyone. Can't remember his situation with arbitration, but I think he signed a deal that the market would bear.
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