Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

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Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Godric on Fri May 10, 2013 5:42 pm

Dupuis - Crosby - Iginla
Kunitz - Malkin - Neal
Morrow - Sutter - Cooke
Kennedy - Vitale - Bennett
Glass, Adams, Jokinen

Letang - Despres
Martin - Orpik
Murray - Niskanen
Engelland, Bortuzzo

Vokoun
Fleury

The only possible issue I see is the penalty kill.

Cooke - Sutter
Martin - Murray
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Duper - Vitale
Letang - Orpik
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Inkio on Fri May 10, 2013 5:44 pm

Because Adams is great on the PK and HCDB loves him.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Godric on Fri May 10, 2013 5:47 pm

Inkio wrote:Because Adams is great on the PK and HCDB loves him.


Adams is slow and an offensive black hole
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Henry Hank on Fri May 10, 2013 5:48 pm

Adams is their most used PK forward, they're never going to sit him.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Henry Hank on Fri May 10, 2013 5:49 pm

And why do they need Bennett? They're averaging over four goals a game. They need more than just scoring.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Godric on Fri May 10, 2013 5:53 pm

Henry Hank wrote:And why do they need Bennett? They're averaging over four goals a game. They need more than just scoring.


Puck Possession. Speed. 2 way Play. Youth. Pedigree. Offensive Instincts. Size. I can go on?

You act like he is a one way, one dimensional, offensive zone only player.... I'd argue he is one of the best back checkers on the team and he has better offensive instincts than anyone on the team not named Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Iginla, Kunitz, Neal or Dupuis (holy depth).
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Henry Hank on Fri May 10, 2013 5:56 pm

I like Bennett a lot. He just doesn't bring something they need more of to justify sitting anyone playing right now. They struck a good balance with the lineup last night and that's what I'd like to see them go forward with. The fourth line in particular needs to be more of a checking and grinding line.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Godric on Fri May 10, 2013 5:57 pm

Henry Hank wrote:And why do they need Bennett? They're averaging over four goals a game. They need more than just scoring.


You are the same guy, and you are not the only one.... You were so against Despres/Letang pairing after time and time again they show that they elevate each other more than any other pairing.

Your reasoning? Rookie shouldn't play on the top pairing. Like DB doesn't change them :lol:

Its about minutes! Not who is written down first.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby MRandall25 on Fri May 10, 2013 5:58 pm

Puck possession: Clearly you missed last night's game. The line of Adams-Vitale-Kennedy was all over the Isles' zone.

Speed: Doesn't matter in this case. Speed doesn't kill penalties, and the 4th line has plenty enough.

2 way play: Adams has this.

Youth: Irrelevant.

Pedigree: What?

Offensive Instincts: We're averaging 4 goals a game.

Size: Not really; not compared to Adams, anyway.

You're severely overrating Bennett.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Godric on Fri May 10, 2013 5:58 pm

Henry Hank wrote: The fourth line in particular needs to be more of a checking and grinding line.


why? Thats what the third line is for....
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Godric on Fri May 10, 2013 6:12 pm

MRandall25 wrote:Puck possession: Clearly you missed last night's game. The line of Adams-Vitale-Kennedy was all over the Isles' zone.

Speed: Doesn't matter in this case. Speed doesn't kill penalties, and the 4th line has plenty enough.

2 way play: Adams has this.

Youth: Irrelevant.

Pedigree: What?

Offensive Instincts: We're averaging 4 goals a game.

Size: Not really; not compared to Adams, anyway.

You're severely overrating Bennett.


MRandall25 wrote: Puck possession: Clearly you missed last night's game. The line of Adams-Vitale-Kennedy was all over the Isles' zone


Adams was the weak link on that line. Its just my opinion. Would you rather sneak Crosby/Malkin a double shift against a teams 4th line with Adams as a winger or Bennett?

2 way play: Adams has this.


Adams has 2 way play? no. When was the last time he set anything up offensively. EVER? He doesn't because he doesn't play a two way game. The thought of creating a scoring chance with a pass doesn't even enter his mind because thats not what he is paid for, which is fine! I'm not hating on Adams.

He plays the most simple game on the team, which is actually a positive quality but its not a rare talent. Block shots, forecheck, hit, backcheck.

Pedigree: What?


Whats not to get?

Bennett is the future, Adams might very well find himself on waivers in the next couple seasons. Bennett has a good chance of solidifying himself as a piece of the core. He needs experience.

Offensive Instincts: We're averaging 4 goals a game.


So? SORRY GUYS, Can't play Jarome Iginla! We were leading the league in offensive and powerplay percentage when we acquired him.

He isn't a liability like a 40 year old Kovalev or Miroslav Satan.

Size: Not really; not compared to Adams, anyway.


Yeah. He is bigger than Adams. Check the listing.

5. 11' vs 6. 1'
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby MRandall25 on Fri May 10, 2013 6:14 pm

lol
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Godric on Fri May 10, 2013 6:17 pm

MRandall25 wrote:Clearly you missed last night's game.
MRandall25 wrote:lol


Spoiler:
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You've reported people for less blatant trolling
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby MRandall25 on Fri May 10, 2013 6:19 pm

I'm not trolling. I'm just not wasting my time with someone who doesn't understand what a 4th line is supposed to do.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby shmenguin on Fri May 10, 2013 6:20 pm

Because the lineup worked last night and we don't have time to expirement.

Even though I think Adams is awful
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Godric on Fri May 10, 2013 6:27 pm

MRandall25 wrote:I'm not trolling. I'm just not wasting my time


You are wasting my time though.

Look at Anaheim's 4th line this year. Look at the Red Wing's 4th Line in 2008.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby MRandall25 on Fri May 10, 2013 6:29 pm

If I'm "wasting your time", why do you keep responding?
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Godric on Fri May 10, 2013 6:31 pm

MRandall25 wrote:If I'm "wasting your time", why do you keep responding?


How is this not obvious? Because its my thread.

Holy cow.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby guiner on Fri May 10, 2013 7:07 pm

I was quite always posting that BB should get more ice time and start the playoffs. His play earned it. But he really struggled in the playoffs the first few games. Despitr the opening goal he contributed very little. At this point you have to go with the lineup from last night. If they advance he'll get more time.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Getting To My Game on Fri May 10, 2013 7:16 pm

Playing Jokinen or Bennett on the 4th line is completely pointless. They serve no purpose playing on a line that's supposed to generate heavy forechecking and a hitting game. Would you play Tanner Glass with Malkin?
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Godric on Fri May 10, 2013 7:18 pm

Getting To My Game wrote: Would you play Tanner Glass with Malkin?


DB does. Whenever he double shifts him on the 4th line.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Rocco on Fri May 10, 2013 7:23 pm

Glass and Adams kill penalties, and the PK has been the one thing this series that hasn't at some point been a disaster.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby brwi on Fri May 10, 2013 7:26 pm

Because he's weak along the boards, doesn't backcheck nearly as well as you seem to think, is a rookie, etc. He almost always loses 50/50 puck battles, especially if it is in tight around the boards.

Bennett has a bright future ahead of him, but this isn't his time right now.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby ExPatriatePen on Fri May 10, 2013 7:28 pm

Getting To My Game wrote:Playing Jokinen or Bennett on the 4th line is completely pointless. They serve no purpose playing on a line that's supposed to generate heavy forechecking and a hitting game. Would you play Tanner Glass with Malkin?

Third lines are generally considered checking lines. Fourth lines are often referred to as energy lines.
BB does bring that.
The biggest argument against Godrics point is the PK ability.
I think there will be time to work BB into the lineup - game six in a series where you struggled to find the right chemistry isn't the time.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Godric on Fri May 10, 2013 7:30 pm

brwi wrote:doesn't backcheck nearly as well as you seem to think


lol Whatever. He had more takeaways per minute of icetime than anyone else.
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