Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby MRandall25 on Fri May 10, 2013 7:32 pm

A takeaway in Pittsburgh is not the same as a takeaway in Long Island, Detroit, Anaheim, Dallas, etc. etc.

It's not a very good stat to prove a point.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Godric on Fri May 10, 2013 7:37 pm

MRandall25 wrote:A takeaway in Pittsburgh is not the same as a takeaway in Long Island, Detroit, Anaheim, Dallas, etc. etc.

It's not a very good stat to prove a point.


Its the only statistical evidence that you can look at to support that issue on either side.... Unless I create a highlight package of footage and THAT would be a waste of time
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Inkio on Fri May 10, 2013 7:41 pm

Godric wrote:
Inkio wrote:Because Adams is great on the PK and HCDB loves him.


Adams is slow and an offensive black hole


Not every player is an offensive player. Adams is a defensive forward. He isn't supposed to score goals.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby brwi on Fri May 10, 2013 7:43 pm

Godric wrote:
brwi wrote:doesn't backcheck nearly as well as you seem to think


lol Whatever. He had more takeaways per minute of icetime than anyone else.


lol He's indeed Marian Hossa and some how everyone in the NHL and his HC has missed this "fact."
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Gaucho on Fri May 10, 2013 7:48 pm

Hockey is fun.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Godric on Fri May 10, 2013 7:55 pm

brwi wrote:
Godric wrote:
brwi wrote:doesn't backcheck nearly as well as you seem to think


lol Whatever. He had more takeaways per minute of icetime than anyone else.


lol He's indeed Marian Hossa and some how everyone in the NHL and his HC has missed this "fact."


I never said they missed it.

this is amusing
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Godric on Fri May 10, 2013 7:58 pm

Inkio wrote:
Godric wrote:
Inkio wrote:Because Adams is great on the PK and HCDB loves him.


Adams is slow and an offensive black hole


Not every player is an offensive player. Adams is a defensive forward. He isn't supposed to score goals.


:thumb: Agreed and I said as much on the first page.



Godric wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:2 way play: Adams has this.
Adams has 2 way play? no. When was the last time he set anything up offensively. EVER? He doesn't because he doesn't play a two way game. The thought of creating a scoring chance with a pass doesn't even enter his mind because thats not what he is paid for, which is fine! I'm not hating on Adams.

He plays the most simple game on the team, which is actually a positive quality but its not a rare talent. Block shots, forecheck, hit, backcheck.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby blackjack68 on Fri May 10, 2013 8:14 pm

You answered in your OP.

He is solid on the PK.

It's that simple.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Rylan on Fri May 10, 2013 8:32 pm

lol
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Pitt87 on Fri May 10, 2013 8:48 pm

Inkio wrote:Because Adams is great on the PK and HCDB loves him.


One of those two things are true. A guy who fails to clear the puck 9 of 10 times is not good on the PK.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Stick_Flex on Fri May 10, 2013 9:22 pm

Pitt87 wrote:
Inkio wrote:Because Adams is great on the PK and HCDB loves him.


One of those two things are true. A guy who fails to clear the puck 9 of 10 times is not good on the PK.

I was thinking the same thing. Not sure his pk is any better then JJ.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby slappybrown on Fri May 10, 2013 9:41 pm

Rylan wrote:lol
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Godric on Fri May 10, 2013 9:47 pm

slappybrown wrote:
Rylan wrote:lol


Lulz > lol
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby slappybrown on Fri May 10, 2013 9:49 pm

Godric wrote:
slappybrown wrote:
Rylan wrote:lol


Lulz > lol

*shrug*
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby ExPatriatePen on Fri May 10, 2013 9:49 pm

EPP peaks in and see's the same old trolls, doing the same old thing, bows out...
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby slappybrown on Fri May 10, 2013 9:52 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:EPP peaks in and see's the same old trolls, doing the same old thing, bows out...

At least cite to shad if you're lifting his posts
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Godric on Fri May 10, 2013 9:52 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:EPP peaks in and see's the same old trolls, doing the same old thing, bows out...


In here? Nawwww
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby columbia on Fri May 10, 2013 9:53 pm

At least post in Garamond, if you expect to be respected.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby slappybrown on Fri May 10, 2013 9:54 pm

columbia wrote:At least post in Garamond, if you expect to be respected.

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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby columbia on Fri May 10, 2013 9:54 pm

Mmmmmm....wingdings.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby smoothmoneyb on Fri May 10, 2013 10:41 pm

I think more than anything, the biggest reason for playing Adams over BB is that Adams is far less likely to cost us by making a rookie type of mistake. Adams doesn't add a whole lot but he is reliable, which is something Bylsma values, as he should. Basically he brings stability, gets significant minutes on the PK and more than anything else, HCDB trusts him. I think there's a good chance we see BB again if we advance against the islanders. I think he's got a heck of a future, but as others have said, he just doesn't bring enough of anything extra that we don't already have out there currently, and thereby justify the risk of replacing a proven vet with a rookie. Honestly I can't even begin to imagine a situation where HCDB scratches Adams. I think Adams would have to screw up royally, and probably in multiple games for that to happen. With that said, I'd have no problem replacing Adams in the lineup, although I just don't see it happening. It is kind of funny that you mention replacing Adams with BB as opposed to Jokinen, though. I mean, I honestly wouldn't mind replacing Adams, but if it was a choice of replacing him with Jokinen or BB, I'm taking Jokinen 7 days a week and twice on sunday. Not even close
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Nizzy on Fri May 10, 2013 10:54 pm

Godric wrote:
Inkio wrote:Because Adams is great on the PK and HCDB loves him.


Adams is slow and an offensive black hole


Jokinen should play over Adams.

Won't happen with Bylsma Godric. I'll give you credit man for making the thread. I'm surprised that they got Vitale/TK in there for Glass. Adams is finished in my opinion. The guy isn't even that great on the P.K....It's kind of a big joke when you look at everything Jokinen can bring to the table, great faceoffs, former 30 goal man. Great offense potential on the 4th line.

Instead we have Adams who well.. at least he can skate. I agree that Beau should probably be in there as well. The only way Adams sits is if he's is blatantly obvious for 2 goals/direct turnovers in a loss.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby slappybrown on Fri May 10, 2013 10:56 pm

I wouldn't mess with the lineup at this point, but you can count me in the Craig Adams isn't as valuable as most think camp. I'd play Jokinen over him, but not Bennett.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby Stick_Flex on Sat May 11, 2013 12:17 am

I was just sitting here playing pinball and it hit me. Maybe Bylsma likes Adams because he reminds him of himself.
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Re: Why not Bennett in over Glass/Adams/Jokinen?

Postby smoothmoneyb on Sat May 11, 2013 3:58 am

Stick_Flex wrote:I was just sitting here playing pinball and it hit me. Maybe Bylsma likes Adams because he reminds him of himself.


that certainly has at least something to do with it. you could say about the same for pretty much any fringe 3rd/4th line grinder types.. glass, adams, and to a lesser degree, kennedy. but for some reason the theory hasn't held up as well for vitale. maybe it also has something to do with age. DB has historically favored the vets like the three mentioned above but vitale is a much younger, less experienced player. that's my theory and i'm sticking to it..
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