Jesse wrote:Anyway, yeah, when the stretch pass is there they take it. But otherwise, they'll chip up the board systematically with the center and wing playing puck support with quick touch passes along the way.
Yup. People also have to understand that a breakout isn't necessarily and usually isn't drawn up like a football play. There's too many moving pieces to hockey for that to occur. Football is stop, talk about it, start, stop, talk about it, start, stop, stop, stop. There are options/reads that are activated all over the ice with one goal in mind: go forward without ******* up.
Not directed at anyone in particular, just in general: Just because you don't see the same thing happen every single time doesn't mean the team doesn't have a breakout. Just because pucks are chipped up the boards and gotten in deep doesn't mean the team doesn't have a breakout. Frankly, I'm not sure what that would mean...it sounds just made up. You really think they spent an entire NHL season practicing and playing and not once addressed how they move the puck forward...at all...that sounds pretty unlikely.
Now, if every single time the Penguins had the puck in the defensive zone they iced it or shot it out of play, then yeah...maybe you're on to something...maybe Eddie Olczyk is back coaching again...
Mikey, I understand hockey, I played, and continue to play as I get older.
With the Penguins, you never see them put 2-3 short passes together to get out of the zone like other teams. I'm not saying that's always the best way to do it, but if that's what a team is allowing you to do, you take it.
These other posters that are claiming that the one forward comes down low and skates up with the D is so rare, it barely happens. It was a slight adjustment Bylsma made, but 90% of the time, our forwards are at the redline, or deeper, while our defensemen have the puck at the faceoff circles in our zone. Most announcers always point this out and claim it's the reason that the Penguins can't get offensive zone time. Our forwards leave the zone immediately upon the defensemen's retrieval of the puck.
As for icing the puck, we do it a lot. I would love to know the totals for each team throughout a season. I'm pretty sure we are near the top, if not the leaders.
Byslma's system is bare bones simple. When breaking out on a controlled breakout, all 3 forwards dart up the ice and situate themselves to chip a stretch pass in. When our defensemen come out from behind the net with the puck and refuse to even skate to our own blueline, that's when I start having a problem with it. They're obviously trained to STOP no higher than the top of the circles and look for the stretch pass, I've just never seen defensemen stop still as often as ours do in a game during a breakout. When our D skate the puck up, most teams are giving us room to gain the redline. Why not take it? The odd time our forward does come down low and allow for an outlet pass, it either opens up more ice for the defenseman to skate the puck up, or it allows him to hit the forward in stride. Just about every single time we do one of the aforementioned, we gain the zone....when we stretch pass in the playoffs, we're probably at about 50% it seems, and we also turn a lot of pucks over into odd man rushes.
I just don't like Byslma's system, and it hasn't been effective for 3.5 years in the playoffs. We're a completely different team since we entered the playoffs. Why? Not because 20 guys forgot how to play hockey, it's because teams implement a strategy to stop our only option, and even Capuano mentioned that we won't deviate from it.
If these teams haven't figured out how to stop Byslma's system (for the last 3 post seasons), can you explain why this team has gone from a dominant puck possession team with a ferocious forecheck, to a team that is chasing a lot more and not able to get offensive zone time or a tenacious forecheck? Did 20 guys actually stop playing great hockey all at once?
I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm actually looking for your opinion and analysis of this and see what you think is going on?