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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby topshelf on Mon May 20, 2013 9:26 am

I like Bylsma and think he's one of the better coaches in the league. The players got lazy on that play, plain and simple. Ottawa took advantage of it and capitalized. Things happen and you adjust. The players have two days off, which should be enough to let any momentum from this win settle.

At least we know that if Bylsma ever gets fired, Shero just needs to visit this forum to find 10-20 candidates who feel they are qualified to win some games. :wink:
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby helmespc on Mon May 20, 2013 9:27 am

Not gonna dwell on it too much... they would have lost 4-1 if it weren't for TV getting lucky...
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby Guinness on Mon May 20, 2013 9:29 am

Jesse wrote:All five guys, ALL FIVE, were literally standing still watching the puck. It was a meltdown of epic proportions.


Which makes it all the more worse, given how much hustle they laid down over the preceding 10 minutes or so in protecting the lead.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby Digitalgypsy66 on Mon May 20, 2013 9:48 am

Heaven forbid Dupuis get any PP time. :pop:
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby shoeshine boy on Mon May 20, 2013 10:05 am

topshelf wrote:I like Bylsma and think he's one of the better coaches in the league. The players got lazy on that play, plain and simple. Ottawa took advantage of it and capitalized. Things happen and you adjust. The players have two days off, which should be enough to let any momentum from this win settle.

At least we know that if Bylsma ever gets fired, Shero just needs to visit this forum to find 10-20 candidates who feel they are qualified to win some games. :wink:


I wouldn't say they got "lazy". you don't get lazy in the last minute of a game that you're winning 1-0. you do get too conservative and puck focused and that's precisely what happened. I didn't see the game live and only saw the replay twice (couldn't stomach watching it more) but my first thought was, "WTF are THOSE guys doing out there in the last 30 seconds???" and then I kept watching them backup and backup. I understand what Martin was trying to do but Tanger and Geno have to be more aware than that. you can't just let Alfie drift in without a body on him.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby newarenanow on Mon May 20, 2013 10:06 am

Idoit40fans wrote:If you put a pp unit out, run it like a pp. If you're gonna send a one man forecheck and line up 4 in the defensive half, send the appropriate personnel out.


This.

I wouldnt' have minded the players out there that were out there if they were attacking and playing like they were on the power play.

But if you are going the defensive route they took, but the more defensive minded players out there.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby llipgh2 on Mon May 20, 2013 10:12 am

newarenanow wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:If you put a pp unit out, run it like a pp. If you're gonna send a one man forecheck and line up 4 in the defensive half, send the appropriate personnel out.


This.

I wouldnt' have minded the players out there that were out there if they were attacking and playing like they were on the power play.

But if you are going the defensive route they took, but the more defensive minded players out there.


Agree 100%.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby Defence21 on Mon May 20, 2013 10:15 am

Beveridge wrote:The personal didn't fit the plan in hindsight. Execution by the players on the ice share equal blame in this. The best plan in the world will be a waste if poor execution. Not saying the coach

No question, execution should share blame on this, and no plan is worth anything if not executed properly. Then again, if the appropriate players -- the ones who prepare to execute such plans -- are not on the ice, chances of success diminish. This is not a hindsight situation, as I was befuddled as soon as I saw the personnel. You can't expect penalty killing fourth liners to be successful on the power play, regardless of the plan. So why expect offensive specialists to protect a lead late in the game?

To put it another way, if the Penguins were down 1-0 and they were on the penalty kill -- everything exactly the opposite of what happened last night -- would Bylsma have used Adams and Sutter along with Orpik and Murray? No, he would have gone with a stacked offensive unit to try and score the necessary goal.

It was a poor decision in foresight, hindsight and any other sight that exists. It also was poor execution -- but my guess is we wouldn't even be discussing execution had the correct players to do the job been on the ice.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby Kovy27 on Mon May 20, 2013 10:21 am

Pens in 5. They outplayed the Sens for all but 39 seconds in the 3rd period. Anderson made some ridiculous saves. I fully expect them to bounce back, win game 4, and finish it friday.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby MRandall25 on Mon May 20, 2013 11:05 am

The players had 0 reason to move the puck forward. Not sure you can blame the coach for Kunitz trying to go 1 on 4.

They had 0 pressure from the Sens. No reason to leave the zone.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby Froggy on Mon May 20, 2013 11:09 am

If Bylsma had put out Dupuis, Adams & Cooke and they got scored on, people would have complained it was too passive. The goal was a result of poor play from the players on the ice.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon May 20, 2013 11:18 am

Froggy wrote:If Bylsma had put out Dupuis, Adams & Cooke and they got scored on, people would have complained it was too passive. The goal was a result of poor play from the players on the ice.


...What? It was too passive. The point is that if you are going to play passive, you put guys like Dupuis, Adams, and Cooke out there.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby Great58 on Mon May 20, 2013 11:21 am

I have a hard time how having some of our best puck handlers on the ice for the final minutes is a bad coaching decision. I just don't get it. So we should put the slow Adams, the struggling Sutter and Murray on the ice instead because they are our shutdown guys?
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby Steve on Mon May 20, 2013 11:23 am

The Pens handled that powerplay exactly as they should have - in hindsight though, I would have had Duper on the ice at the very least.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby pfim on Mon May 20, 2013 11:23 am

Great58 wrote:I have a hard time how having some of our best puck handlers on the ice for the final minutes is a bad coaching decision. I just don't get it. So we should put the slow Adams, the struggling Sutter and Murray on the ice instead because they are our shutdown guys?


Well, Sutter was out there...

I think the point is if you have your best puckhandlers out there, then have them attack the puck.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby Beveridge on Mon May 20, 2013 11:25 am

All I can think of when I see the thread title

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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby llipgh2 on Mon May 20, 2013 11:25 am

Idoit40fans wrote:
Froggy wrote:If Bylsma had put out Dupuis, Adams & Cooke and they got scored on, people would have complained it was too passive. The goal was a result of poor play from the players on the ice.


...What? It was too passive. The point is that if you are going to play passive, you put guys like Dupuis, Adams, and Cooke out there.


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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby PensFanInDC on Mon May 20, 2013 11:30 am

You can put me in the "1 minute left, up by 1, on the PP, just make it a line of 4 PKers and Crosby" camp.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby shmenguin on Mon May 20, 2013 11:31 am

it wasn't really a personnel disaster. the only player i would have taken off the ice was malkin. putting adams out there wouldn't have made sense. he's allegedly good at penalty killing and 6 on 5 situations because it's a simple task. get it. clear it. our goal in the last minute should have been get it. KEEP IT. we needed more than adams. i suppose playing cooke or dupuis would have been better, but 80% of our skaters were correctly put on the ice.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby the riddler on Mon May 20, 2013 11:32 am

Alfie made a great play. He made the drop pass and everyone forgot about him as he slipped behind the defense. The only problem I had with the Penguins defense of the play was Martin abandoning his position. If he just stays where he was at, the goal probably never happens.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby MRandall25 on Mon May 20, 2013 11:34 am

I'm still wondering as to why they decided to leave the area behind their net when there was no pressure from the Sens. Could've waited there for another :45 and we wouldn't be having this conversation. There weren't any Sens beyond center ice. Literally no reason to take the puck up the ice.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby PensFanInDC on Mon May 20, 2013 11:35 am

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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby Froggy on Mon May 20, 2013 11:36 am

I still think that it was a problem with execution. That's not coaching.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby pfim on Mon May 20, 2013 11:38 am

mikey287 wrote:The personnel out there would dictate that we are going to play "four corners" with the puck. Otherwise, Malkin wouldn't be out there, and Kunitz might have been replaced by Dupuis.

The instruction was 1-4 and stack the blueline. The Penguins thought and even Martin's thought, was force the play at the line and force them to put into the corner...the Letang corner. Should be an easy pick (at the line) and retrieval by Letang. Exit the zone 5-on-5 with an empty net ahead. It should work out for us.

Unfortunately, too many players were waiting for the puck to come to them...namely 71 and 58 and they were just sitting, waiting, wishing...

EDIT: The 1-4 was the choice because of the clear possession for the Senators coming out of the zone. The goal of the 1-4 is to make Ottawa surrender the puck. And generally it's effective. It's tough to enter the zone in any meaningful way against a 1-4...unless, everyone on the other team is standing still and watching the play unfold, of course. Then it's a walk right down Main St. to the net. As we painfully saw...


So this is interesting. If the goal is to funnel the puck to Letang's corner, and Gonchar is heading to that corner, I can see why Letang was anticipating the puck being there. I mean, perhaps he shouldn't cheat like that, but if he felt he had help behind him, then it makes sense to me. How many times a game does your defensive partner skate right in front of you to your side of the ice when the puck enters the defensive zone?

Malkin was slow to come back for sure, but Martin creates a de facto 3 on 2 (Gonchar, Phillips, Alfredsson vs Letang and Malkin) for no reason. If you want to throw Malkin under the bus further, you call it a 3 on 1. Just my uneducated 2 cents.

End of the day, there was nothing at all to like about the play.
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Re: Byslma??? What the heck were you thinking??

Postby CERV96 on Mon May 20, 2013 11:39 am

Here is an interesting question which has not been asked and I am actually shocked it has not been asked. Where was Sid? If the game is on the line I want my best player out there. Was he out there and came off early? I can't remember.
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