sniper wrote:As I showed earlier he gave up one less goal than the average goalie did against Ottawa in the regular season, while playing on a better team.
Two things wrong with this. Firstly, it's not a fair comparrison. Ottawa played the regular season without Spezza for almost all of it, Karlsson for most of it, and Michalek for about half of it. Those guys were their three highest scoring players in 11/12, when their production was about 0.6 goals per game higher than this year, making them the 4th highest scoring team in the league. Secondly, Vokoun may be playing on a better team, but our defence is profoundly average.
So a goalie can only have a good game if the team in front of him fails to score? Reductio ad absurdum: If Vokoun had come in and posted seven consecutive shutouts, smashing a record that's stood for 80 years in the process, it wouldn't matter because the skaters were scoring 4 goals a game?
No, if he did that then sure I'd consider him in the MVP discussion if he faced sufficient shots and scoring chances against.
Okay, so a guy can post a 420 minute shutout streak, but you would still feel the need to quibble over the number of shots he faced in that time? And even if the shots against did find favour with you, he would still only be considered for MVP.
Exactly what would a Penguins goalie have to do to be MVP?
Let's not pretend he's come anywhere near doing that however.
Why not? A minute ago you wanted to pretend that Brad Thiessen could put up a .922, 2.5 performance against the Senators. It's fun to pretend.
In any case, the longest shutout streak Vokoun managed this season was 160 minutes. Pathetic. That's not even three games.
I appreciate what you're saying, but I think you're severely undervaluing Vokoun's contribution thus far.
I think you are severely over-rating what he's done because his stats look great.
I will admit that I find it harder to scoff at a .941 save percentage than you apparently do. I also remember how I felt after game 4, and am keenly aware that were it not for Vokoun we probably wouldn't be here.
Fact is the difference between him and the average goalie in the Senator series is 1 goal.
That isn't a fact. That is an opinion derived from a fundamentally flawed interpretation of an unrepresentative sample.
He is not the primary reason they are winning though and thus should not be MVP. I don't even consider him to be in the top 3 at this point. Before all is said and done though he probably will have to be.
A point I think I made earlier, is that because we are scoring so many goals, it's much harder for one guy to stand out. What you can say in Vokoun's favour, is that without him, we probably wouldn't have made it into the second round. If the question is which player has been most valuable to the team? It's the goalie. Maybe there are thirty other goalies in the NHL who could have done the same thing, in which case they would also have been the most valuable player to the team.