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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby the wicked child on Tue May 28, 2013 7:22 pm

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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby RPKJr429 on Tue May 28, 2013 8:18 pm

This playoff layoff is killin' me... (And I)
I must confess, I still believe (Still believe!)
When I'm not watching I lose my mind...
Give me a sign!!! Hit me, Crankshaft, one more time!
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby no name on Tue May 28, 2013 9:33 pm

RPKJr429 wrote:This playoff layoff is killin' me... (And I)
I must confess, I still believe (Still believe!)
When I'm not watching I lose my mind...
Give me a sign!!! Hit me, Crankshaft, one more time!


Yeah no doubt he lost it. How many more sane minds do we have to sacrifice before these playoffs start. WHY WHY WHY!!!!!!!!
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby Steve Dave on Tue May 28, 2013 11:07 pm

Instead of trading Malkin or Letang, couldn't Shero trade Martin and replace him with Harrington? Also trade Niskanen and re-sign Murray...

Despres Letang
Orpik Harrington
Murray Bortuzzo
Engelland
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby MRandall25 on Tue May 28, 2013 11:08 pm

That team would give up 2x as many goals as they would score.

That defense is terrible.

Paul Martin is our best D-man. Period. Trading him AND Niskanen AND replacing them with basically 2 rookies is just... why would you do it?
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby Steve Dave on Tue May 28, 2013 11:16 pm

MRandall25 wrote:That team would give up 2x as many goals as they would score.

That defense is terrible.

Paul Martin is our best D-man. Period. Trading him AND Niskanen AND replacing them with basically 2 rookies is just... why would you do it?


Despres will be in the top 6 next year and others have stated that Harrington is NHL ready. Bortuzzo is a 6/7 already. I like Martin but if trading him (for assets) allows them to keep Letang and Malkin, then I would think they do it. Niskanen is traded to make room for Murray (cap wise).
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby MRandall25 on Tue May 28, 2013 11:18 pm

Despres is not top 6 ready. And just because Harrington is touted as "NHL ready" doesn't mean you should just throw him in the NHL and expect him to keep up.

Harrington will start in WBS next year. I'm almost certain of it.
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby Henry Hank on Tue May 28, 2013 11:25 pm

There's no reason they can't keep Malkin and Letang and still field a great team. There will always have to be compromises (well, usually) under a salary cap but those aren't the kind of guys you let go unless you have to. They don't have to. There's plenty of other fat they can cut off that's more replaceable. Guys like Niskanen and Kennedy and Jokinen go before anyone. You let a Morrow or even Iginla or Dupuis go before you let one of those guys go. Really, the high priced guy they should probably ditch is Fleury. You know, the guy they devote $5 million of cap space to who they aren't even using in the playoffs.

As for getting rid of Martin. Come on. They're lucky to have him for two more years. He's arguably their best overall D. No way.
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby k0la on Wed May 29, 2013 3:10 am

Other teams also have to deal with the new salary cap. I find it entirely possible that Shero will be able to make Letang and Malkin understand that it's a new cba for the superdeals, and that they will just have to take less now than what they would have gotten with the old cba.

Also the cap will hopefully go up, so if Shero just finds a way to get trough the next two years or so, inserting rookies like Bennet, Despres to replace some midlevel salaries or something like that.
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby sil on Wed May 29, 2013 9:54 am

k0la wrote:Other teams also have to deal with the new salary cap. I find it entirely possible that Shero will be able to make Letang and Malkin understand that it's a new cba for the superdeals, and that they will just have to take less now than what they would have gotten with the old cba.


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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby RxBandit66 on Wed May 29, 2013 10:02 am

Henry Hank wrote:There's no reason they can't keep Malkin and Letang and still field a great team. There will always have to be compromises (well, usually) under a salary cap but those aren't the kind of guys you let go unless you have to. They don't have to. There's plenty of other fat they can cut off that's more replaceable. Guys like Niskanen and Kennedy and Jokinen go before anyone. You let a Morrow or even Iginla or Dupuis go before you let one of those guys go. Really, the high priced guy they should probably ditch is Fleury. You know, the guy they devote $5 million of cap space to who they aren't even using in the playoffs.

As for getting rid of Martin. Come on. They're lucky to have him for two more years. He's arguably their best overall D. No way.


Totally agree. We pretty much know what Geno will sign for, and unless Letang makes some ridiculous demand, he should stay too. The way to get Despres and the other young D into the lineup is to part with the Engellands and Niskanen's of the world. Martin and Orpik have a few prime years left and Letang is just entering his. The Pens are in "Cup winning mode" not rebuilding mode.

Kennedy, Cooke, Niskanen, Morrow, perhaps Jokinen will likely be cap casualties. There's about 10 million on the table right there. Tough decisions will have to be made, no doubt, but choosing between keeping Martin, Geno, or Letang won't be among them. As for Dupuis, I think he'll take three years at a small discount and a chance to win 3 more Cups as opposed to a bigger contract somewhere else to go play with a crappy center.
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed May 29, 2013 10:50 am

What do we know Malkin will sign for? 8 years/$80 million? Is that the agreed upon figure? I have no idea what to expect.
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby pcm on Wed May 29, 2013 12:11 pm

I'm expecting btw 9-10m per for Malkin.
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby RxBandit66 on Wed May 29, 2013 12:28 pm

Malkin is already earning a high salary, so his raise will be minimal. The question is how long the contract will run. The whole point of my post was that Geno getting an extra million or so per season won't cripple the team in regards to the salary cap. It's not like he's on an entry level and will be jumping to $10 mil.

Letang's raise will be more of an issue, because he's not making nearly as much as Geno right now, but he very well could be after his new contract. In other words, it will cost more in terms of the free cap space to re-up Letang, because Geno's salary is already very high against the cap.
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby RxBandit66 on Wed May 29, 2013 12:30 pm

pcm wrote:I'm expecting btw 9-10m per for Malkin.


Agreed. I think the first years of the contract will be closer to 9m, and it will increase during the length of the contract. Bottom line, in 2014, I don't think the raise will be that significant.
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby Steve Dave on Wed May 29, 2013 1:04 pm

8 yrs/$71 mil
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby pugilist13 on Wed May 29, 2013 1:37 pm

pcm wrote:Harrington and Maata will be Pros next year. Pouliout may not even be able to sign an ATO, but he'll be back in juniors.

Harrington is going to be in the NHL next year, if Dale Hunter is right. What a logjam at D we've got... and that's assuming we trade Niskanen.

Letang-Despres
Orpik-Martin
Harrington/Bortuzzo-Murray/Eaton/Engelland

If Bylsma is still here next year, I have as much of a chance of being on the blueline as Harrington.
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed May 29, 2013 1:46 pm

Harrington is not going to be in the NHL next year, unless we're talking about a sip of a cup of coffee(y).
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby Gaucho on Wed May 29, 2013 2:01 pm

Don't forget Dumoulin.

So many D prospects, so many GMs to fleece...
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby pcm on Wed May 29, 2013 2:58 pm

It'll be really interesting to see what our defense looks like in 2014.

Letang (6.25m) - Despres (3.5m)
Martin (5m) - Dumoulin (.85m)
Harrington (.85) - Bortuzzo (.75)

That's only 17.2m on defense (ie. why I see no problem signing Letang). You could even potentially re-sign Orpik or have a guy like Murray in there for $2m.
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby DelPen on Wed May 29, 2013 3:40 pm

Harrington and Dumoulin as your top pairing in WBS next year.

Orpik-Martin
Letang-Despres
Murray-???

If you keep Murray you don't need Engellend. Bortuzzo is a solid #7. Eaton might still have some gas left in the tank. But you definately move Niskanen to keep Murray if you can make the pay a wash. Then you need a solid # 6 at less than $1 million, like Eaton or anyone else really. Maybe you work Harrington in that way?

There's always the trade deadline to bring in missing pieces.
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby meecrofilm on Wed May 29, 2013 7:06 pm

Snap. Maatta likely in tonight.

Him in over Harrington to me either says A) Harrington's shoulder isn't as healed as we'd hoped, or B) They're looking for more offense from their backend. Or both, I suppose.
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby Penspal on Fri May 31, 2013 8:33 am

The playoff layover suck factor is at MAX right now!

- I want to be posting in the Can't concentrate for Crap@work, gameday, pick a pen, Tonight's Milestones, Anthem Singer and who's your daddy threads.

Instead, I have to ponder how Stephen Walkom manages to move to the next round as a ref. How he could blow another call and hurt the Pens.
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby Factorial on Fri May 31, 2013 8:47 am

Trade Neal to free up some cap space.
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Re: Playoff layover SUCKS - 2/3 D prospects to WBS

Postby Headshot77 on Fri May 31, 2013 9:20 am

RxBandit66 wrote:As for Dupuis, I think he'll take three years at a small discount and a chance to win 3 more Cups as opposed to a bigger contract somewhere else to go play with a crappy center.

There is no way Dupuis takes a discount. No way at all.
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