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Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby Bathgate on Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:48 am

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/06/04/bruins-are-embarrassing-penguins-and-sidney-crosby/kyJRVCEWjbuYEuoucxhFNN/story.html

Is it true?

How will you view Crosby going forward if he continues his terrible play the rest of the series?
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby shafnutz05 on Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:50 am

Dan Shaughnessy....lol
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby Pitts on Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:53 am

There's a lot of mouthing off going on in that "article."
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby sil on Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:36 am

The more stuff that comes out of the community of Boston regarding this series, and particularly their opinions on the penguins as a team, makes me think more and more that we're seeing the release of some serious pent up frustrations dating all the way back to 1991 and 1992.
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby pfim on Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:37 am

shafnutz05 wrote:Dan Shaughnessy....lol


Thanks for pointing that out so I don't actually click on the article.
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby Guinness on Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:40 am

I thought it was just fans who were supposed to get personally involved?

"Journalism". :lol:
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby pfim on Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:41 am

Guinness wrote:I thought it was just fans who were supposed to get personally involved?

"Journalism". :lol:


Writers are no longer journalists once they become columnists.
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:50 am

Actually it was a pretty good article, spot on. Talked about the Bruins playing with house money, the SI article on Sid and his rep, how the Bruins have to be careful.

Well, it was a pretty obvious article too. Not much really ridiculous or overstated or cocky about it.
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby rgj on Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:55 am

Actually, quite a stinging article.

Hope the Pens read it.
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby Getting To My Game on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:10 am

People still read newspaper articles?
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby Lt. Dish on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:13 am

pfim wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:Dan Shaughnessy....lol


Thanks for pointing that out so I don't actually click on the article.


Seconded. I skipped it on his name alone. If the guy ever writes a good article, then it'll be his first one.
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby Getting To My Game on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:13 am

Bathgate wrote:How will you view Crosby going forward


With my head tilted down, because I'm about 6'4".
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby MarioLives on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:16 am

I see nothing wrong with this article. The writer completely discounts the first 11 games, where Crosby put up big numbers, focusses on the last two, and the questions his legacy.

People do that on here with players all the time...... :scared:
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby Getting To My Game on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:18 am

Sports "journalism" is such a joke business. I can't wait until it's completely replaced by twitter and the blogosphere.
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby Sarcastic on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:20 am

Thought it was going to be a well-written piece, but it's mostly hateful and immature. You can tell the writer is an overzealous fan.
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby pfim on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:23 am

Getting To My Game wrote:Sports "journalism" is such a joke business. I can't wait until it's completely replaced by twitter and the blogosphere.


Columnists are literary shock jocks, their sole purpose is to rile people up to buy newspapers and click on their articles.

I mean, who cares what Dan Shaughnessy (or any columnist) has to say about sports? What makes his opinion more valid or interesting than mine?
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby Getting To My Game on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:29 am

pfim wrote:
Getting To My Game wrote:Sports "journalism" is such a joke business. I can't wait until it's completely replaced by twitter and the blogosphere.


Columnists are literary shock jocks, their sole purpose is to rile people up to buy newspapers and click on their articles.

I mean, who cares what Dan Shaughnessy (or any columnist) has to say about sports? What makes his opinion more valid or interesting than mine?


Nothing. Except that he gets paid for it for some reason.
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby count2infinity on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:31 am

I said back when we got iggy and morrow that I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them get to the ECF and lose. There are just so many wildcards come playoff time that even the most dominate teams in the regular season can lose without even sniffing the cup. This year our team defense/goaltending has been our wildcard. Things happen. I don't by any means think this team is done. They still have the ability to come back from the 2-0 hole. Win tonight and this is a completely different series.
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby Lt. Dish on Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:05 pm

Sarcastic wrote:Thought it was going to be a well-written piece, but it's mostly hateful and immature. You can tell the writer is an overzealous fan.


That's the issue I've always had with him. You can make your points without sounding like a total Ma-hole.
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby shmenguin on Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:21 pm

crosby is definitely on trial right now. he's had poor showings in 4 of his last 7 series.

2013 bruins
2012 flyers
2010 habs
and yes, the 2009 finals where he was completely neutralized

it's not a fun thing to say, but i absolutely am questioning his leadership abilities and his ability to step up in big games
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby Penspal on Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:27 pm

Don't believe everything you read.
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby Bathgate on Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:05 pm

shmenguin wrote:crosby is definitely on trial right now. he's had poor showings in 4 of his last 7 series.

2013 bruins
2012 flyers
2010 habs
and yes, the 2009 finals where he was completely neutralized

it's not a fun thing to say, but i absolutely am questioning his leadership abilities and his ability to step up in big games


In some ways these Crosby playoff failures parallel those of Fleury, who is probably on his way out of Pittsburgh. Not suggesting Crosby will be traded, but they are going to have to find players and a system, and possibly a coach, that can facilitate Crosby’s style of play translating into playoff success. He cannot be considered an alltime great if his brilliance always ends with the regular season.
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Re: Penguins have gone from favorites to flops

Postby largegarlic on Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:34 pm

I didn't read the linked article that begins this discussion, but I did want to comment on the tendency of Pens' fans to hold Crosby less accountable for the Pens' playoffs collapses than Fleury, Letang, and Malkin. I know I certainly have this tendency and tried to come up with reasons for it:

1.) Crosby didn't have a great series against Detroit in 09, but Detroit focused their entire defensive strategy on stopping his line (i.e. matching Zetterberg and Lidstrom against his line). Arguably, this allowed the Malkin and Staal lines to do what they did and win the series for the Pens. In today's NHL, I think a competent defensive team can pretty thoroughly shut one top offensive line from the other team when they make that line their exclusive focus, so I don't hold this against Crosby too much.

2.) Last year and this year, I cut Crosby some slack because of injury issues.

3.) Crosby commits a fair number of stupid turnovers, but seems to do so less frequently than Letang and Malkin and seems to do so less frequently than Fleury lets in soft goals. This might just be confirmation bias, though.

4.) Over the course of his time in Pittsburgh, we've seen Crosby diligently work on his weaknesses, constantly trying to make his game better and more well-rounded, and he's made real progress with this. Malkin, Letang, and Fleury all seem to have plateaued, having stayed (to varying degrees) at that same mix of amazingly good and amazingly bad for the past several years.
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