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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby SolidSnake on Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:37 pm

@TSNBobMcKenzie 1m
Now that we are down to 3 teams left, soon to be 2, and Cup final starting Wed or Sat, teams are ramping up trade talk/moves.
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby DontToewsMeBro on Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:46 pm

Anyone else see Jokinen and Bennett as permanent fixtures to the top 6 next year?
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby Guinness on Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:52 pm

I think Bennett is a lock, whether Bylsma's back or not.
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby Rylan on Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:54 pm

Bennett starts the season in Pittsburgh, if that is where he finishes it will be up to him.
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby shmenguin on Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:00 pm

if tangradi was able to start the season in the top 6, i think bennett will as well.

i'd like to see jokinen in sutter's spot and sutter in adams' spot. turns out sutter is a defensive specialist. should fit in nicely on the 4th line.
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby profpolisci on Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:10 pm

My bad. I didn't read through all of this. Surely someone has mentioned that while there are plenty of reasons to keep Malkin, the one that likely holds the highest value pertains to Sid's concussion history?
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby Kovy27 on Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:19 pm

The Fourth Period is reporting a change behind the bench is unlikely:

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/pit130608.html
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby bigkam on Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:50 pm

1. Fleury needs to be gone. I can't imagine any scenario where he remains a Penguin next year that makes any sense after his meltdown again this year.

2. Letang's value will never be higher, and he proved that while he is an elite offensive player, he is completely incompetent in his own zone. I am beginning to come to the conclusion he is just not very intelligent, which is a shame considering his skill-set.

3. Cooke needs to be resigned. The guy was a monster in the playoffs and is worth every penny he's going to get. In fact, we need a few more Matt Cookes. Dupuis can stay for an awesome discount, but otherwise he is expendable if too expensive. The Ghost of Chris Kunitz that played for the Penguins in the playoffs can go as well, if we can get a draft pick for him. Night and day effort from that guy between the regular season and playoffs.

4. Our defense needs help. Other than Martin and Murray, I would not be sad to see anyone else on that blue line--starting with Niskaanen. He may have just completed the worst defensive playoffs in modern history, it was that bad every time he was on the ice.

5. I am torn on Bylsma. But because the window for Cups is so narrow in the new salary cap era, I would lean towards going in a new direction. He was thoroughly out-coached two years in a row now, and both with teams that were legit Cup contenders. The results speak for themselves at this point, and with the Pens being "all-in", I would not be surprised to see him canned this week.
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby Bowser on Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:12 pm

1. Fire Bylsma - been saying it for 2 years and this should have been his last chance after Shero went wild acquiring Vokoun, Iginla, Morrow, Jokinen and Murray.

2. Trade Fleury - the former cup winning goalie needs a start over, change of scenery and that reset can't happen in Pittsburgh after his last four playoff performances.

3. Trade Letang - he's not a number one defenseman in the mold like traditional defensemen and I'd rather pay Malkin the big money.

I think these three moves will do enough that whatever happens next (Cooke, Dupuis) will be loose change in comparison.
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:10 am

DontToewsMeBro wrote:Anyone else see Jokinen and Bennett as permanent fixtures to the top 6 next year?


I see Bennett in the top 9, possibly the top 6, but a roster lock for sure. He's shown too much to be kept down any longer.

Jokinen? I'm just not sure where he fits. Truthfully, I was very happy with him, but when everyone was healthy he was the odd man out and it is completely out of place on the 4th line.

I loved the Morrow, Iginla, Jokinen line at the end of the season. They had such good chemistry and I wish Bylsma had the stones to put that line back together. He should have kept the Sid line in tact, put Bennett with Gino and Neal and had Cooke, Suter, and whoever on the 4th.
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:19 am

IntangibleBeer wrote:I don't know if Ruff is the right guy or not, but I do know that Bylsma is NOT. What about Vigneault?


I like Ruff because he's kind of in between the temperament of Bylsma and Tortorella, smarter than Bylsma. Buffalo missed the playoffs the past two seasons by slim margins and probably would have missed by more if they had a less capable coach. I'm not saying Buffalo had a horrible roster, but it wasn't a stellar roster and he really got the best of out of them.

Vigneault? Yes please. He would bring a defensive structure to this team that they desperately need. I forgot he was available until you asked. I'd take him over Ruff. He's really good at implementing real structure while building systems based one what he has to work with, not making players adhere to a system that may not work for them.
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby Unbeliever on Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:55 am

Agree with the OT on Fleury, he stays. Partly because there is nothing better anyway at the moment. If you trade Fleury for picks and play Vokoun in his twilight years it is like going for a drive with the gas maker on Empty. You know that you still got some gas in the tank, but you have no idea of whether you will get to the next town or to the next block before you run dry. Fleury is an excellent goaltender, he really is. WHEN he plays at his peak. Fleury's problems are mentality, not skill and I would rather give a new coaching staff a chance to screw his head on right than see him go to a team that has that kind of coach and then see him turn into a playoff monster.

Disco has to go, I love the guy to bits and if the pens had lost to the bruins in an even series I would never had considered canning him, but they got swept, scored two goals and both our stars and most of our new shiny acquisitions did not perform.

Speaking of new acquisitions while I don't think Iginla will resign for another year, I am not about to jump on the hate train. He was not good in the Bruins series, and marginal against the sens and the isles. But then again James Neal was terrible when he came here too, and the next year he became a 40 goal scorer. Iginla is old, which means that he adjusts slower, especially when he gets thrown into a team where he has to play on his off wing and only gets a few games to adjust before the playoffs. I know he did get back to his usual wing in one or two games but that is not nearly enough. He should have played with Crosby from the start. I really feel that Iginla got Bylsma'd. He has a lot of skill, that did not mesh well with the "system". He was amazing on the PP when he was allowed to be there and wind up that shot, then he was permanently taken off it for no real good reason but to put in James Neal who proceeded to not score a single power play goal against the Bruins. A different coach, a coach that is more used to veterans might have gotten way more out of Iggy.

As for Letang and Malkin, if you can't sign both you either sign Malkin or you flip a coin. They are both amazingly skilled players, they are also both huge liabilities. That means that at the end of the day you have to consider which of them contributes most when they are at their peak, and which one does the most harm when at their worst. I still feel that Malkin is more salvageable plus on the whole he does less damage to the team when he's bad, than Letang does, and when he plays his heart out he contributes more than Letang does.

As for who to re-sign beyond that. I really feel like the names that can't be replaced make a short list. Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Martin and Dupuis. Those are the names I either really don't want to see gone, or I don't see there being good alternatives for them (Fleury). I think Dupuis wants to retire a pen. I think Cooke appreciates staying in a town where everyone doesn't hate him.
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby SolidSnake on Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:01 pm

Dejan Kovacevic @Dejan_Kovacevic
Iginla VERY much sounds like he wants to return. Believes still top-six forward but wouldn't demand that role. #TribHKY
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby no name on Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:13 pm

This is so hard to do, once you sign one guy you got to react your whole roster to it. Sign one guy you can't sign this other guy. You need to keep PK players and skill players... I hope Shero has a game plan.
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby DontToewsMeBro on Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:26 pm

I don't have a problem with Fleury staying and being the 1B to Vokoun's 1A in the regular season, but he might.

I mention Jokinen because he is a fairly cheap option for a top six role. He is more skilled than Kennedy and can fit in virtually every position on the ice. He never played with him in the playoffs, but if Malkin can work with guys like Sykora and Fedotenko I think he could do it with Jokinen.--that way you can play Bennett with Crosby and see what someone with some offensive vision can do on his line.
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby meow on Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:28 pm

SolidSnake wrote:Dejan Kovacevic @Dejan_Kovacevic
Iginla VERY much sounds like he wants to return. Believes still top-six forward but wouldn't demand that role. #TribHKY

AHL top six, maybe
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby Rylan on Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:28 pm

lol meow is firing all cylinders today.
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby meow on Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:33 pm

Rylan wrote:lol meow is firing all cylinders today.

You want to be next?? Say something stupid, I dare ya!
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby skullman80 on Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:37 pm

From Pens twitter...

#Pens coach Bylsma on Fleury - "He's our No. 1 goalie for this franchise and he will be going forward."

Not that it matters much what he thinks if he's fired though I guess.
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby Rylan on Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:39 pm

meow wrote:
Rylan wrote:lol meow is firing all cylinders today.

You want to be next?? Say something stupid, I dare ya!


You don't scare me
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby meow on Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:42 pm

Rylan wrote:
meow wrote:
Rylan wrote:lol meow is firing all cylinders today.

You want to be next?? Say something stupid, I dare ya!


You don't scare me

Eh, I'm not surprised. I'm not the most intimidating fellow
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:20 pm

Unbeliever wrote:Speaking of new acquisitions while I don't think Iginla will resign for another year, I am not about to jump on the hate train. He was not good in the Bruins series, and marginal against the sens and the isles. But then again James Neal was terrible when he came here too, and the next year he became a 40 goal scorer. Iginla is old, which means that he adjusts slower, especially when he gets thrown into a team where he has to play on his off wing and only gets a few games to adjust before the playoffs. I know he did get back to his usual wing in one or two games but that is not nearly enough. He should have played with Crosby from the start. I really feel that Iginla got Bylsma'd. He has a lot of skill, that did not mesh well with the "system". He was amazing on the PP when he was allowed to be there and wind up that shot, then he was permanently taken off it for no real good reason but to put in James Neal who proceeded to not score a single power play goal against the Bruins. A different coach, a coach that is more used to veterans might have gotten way more out of Iggy.


Iginla put up 11pts in 13 games with the Pens for remainder of the season(5g 6a). He also put up 12pts in 15 playoff games this year 4g 8a. He did all of this playing out of his actual position.

Yeah, he had a bad series against the Bruins, but so did EVERYONE. Sid was about the worst I saw him play. Sid was sloppy and careless with the puck. Kunitz and Dupuis weren't bad per-se, but they weren't that effective. Malkin was a beast and just couldn't score. Neal was sloppy as well. Iginla played about as good as Neal and while he made some costly passes, he played fairly solid.

I would totally re-sign Iginla for the right money. If it takes $5M to sign, then no way. If they can get him for $3M, I'd do it, but chances are he's going to look for more than $3M and can easily get it from some teams.

My other issue with re-signing Iginla is if Bylsma will be back. If Iginla is to play LW, then it's not worth it. He'll constanly get unfair criticism when he isn't playing up to potential. He's older and slowed a bit, but I think it's more him being uncomfortable playing where he is.
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Re: Top 5 issues for Penguins to address this offseason

Postby pens_CT on Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:46 pm

Hugo Stiglitz wrote:
Unbeliever wrote:Speaking of new acquisitions while I don't think Iginla will resign for another year, I am not about to jump on the hate train. He was not good in the Bruins series, and marginal against the sens and the isles. But then again James Neal was terrible when he came here too, and the next year he became a 40 goal scorer. Iginla is old, which means that he adjusts slower, especially when he gets thrown into a team where he has to play on his off wing and only gets a few games to adjust before the playoffs. I know he did get back to his usual wing in one or two games but that is not nearly enough. He should have played with Crosby from the start. I really feel that Iginla got Bylsma'd. He has a lot of skill, that did not mesh well with the "system". He was amazing on the PP when he was allowed to be there and wind up that shot, then he was permanently taken off it for no real good reason but to put in James Neal who proceeded to not score a single power play goal against the Bruins. A different coach, a coach that is more used to veterans might have gotten way more out of Iggy.


Iginla put up 11pts in 13 games with the Pens for remainder of the season(5g 6a). He also put up 12pts in 15 playoff games this year 4g 8a. He did all of this playing out of his actual position.

Yeah, he had a bad series against the Bruins, but so did EVERYONE. Sid was about the worst I saw him play. Sid was sloppy and careless with the puck. Kunitz and Dupuis weren't bad per-se, but they weren't that effective. Malkin was a beast and just couldn't score. Neal was sloppy as well. Iginla played about as good as Neal and while he made some costly passes, he played fairly solid.

I would totally re-sign Iginla for the right money. If it takes $5M to sign, then no way. If they can get him for $3M, I'd do it, but chances are he's going to look for more than $3M and can easily get it from some teams.

My other issue with re-signing Iginla is if Bylsma will be back. If Iginla is to play LW, then it's not worth it. He'll constanly get unfair criticism when he isn't playing up to potential. He's older and slowed a bit, but I think it's more him being uncomfortable playing where he is.


In addition to playing his natural RW, Iginla would also benefit from a coach whose system doesn't put as high a premium on skating. The Pens in general would benefit with a coach who builds his system around the talents of the players, rather than forcing the players to fit his system.
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