mikey287 wrote:So...what should Sutter have done considering he was gifted so many defensive zone starts? I mean, it seemed like the only time any non-Sutter center took a D-zone draw was because they were out for an icing. How much offense is he supposed to provide in that situational matching situation? He's also not much of a playmaker, he's more of a finisher if anything. He doesn't have great vision.
The third line lacked an offensive identity from the coaching staff. Our third line was a cycling line in 2009, get it deep and create from the below the icing line. That identity was lacking in 2013 and that posed some of our problems. But the line did extremely well defensively given the tough minutes they had to slog through...impressively so.
Any sort of shortcomings that Sutter had offensively are more of a product of Bylsma than Sutter's poor play. As he was terrific throughout, along with Matt Cooke.
It sounds like you'd be the Habs fan that's upset with Guy Carbonneau in '93...or the Wings fan upset with Kris Draper in '97...
Sutter got an assignment defensively and he did it. And did it well, so did Cooke, what should they have done differently?
Mikey, I agree with some of the main points here especially when anyone acknowledges that the team lacked a major part of NHL playoff hockey with lack of cycle play. I actually have been concerned and posting about this since February. The team simply doesn't not carry the play enough, does not keep enough zone time, come in waves, create real chances and does not create pressure. It's feast or famine and then the team goes the other way.
I have said it before but all that you need to do to see how we need to change is go through our last 3 wins against Detroit. One PP goal ( from down low), shorty and a bunch of goals off of neutral zone turnovers or forecheck turnovers. How many did we get like that all year let alone the playoffs. Our play was destined for disaster. Regular season stats be damned when given multiple games to adjust.
I laugh when people actually say this last series could have been closer if our posts went in, or the close plays went in our favor. And they list like 10. Every other series teams are getting 10 of those a game. Even losing teams pressure, cycle and come in waves. We skate shoot retreat. As much as people complain about the Bruins being boring the Pens played right into their hands and made it just as boring on their own.
The part I don't 100 percent agree with is its all in HCDB. I'm not in a fire Shero crowd but he built a roster with not enough solid defensive zone play and no umph up front. Other than Kunitz who at least tries but can't quite do it anymore. While I do put a lot of blame in HCDB (it can't be coincidence that all grinders fail here and excel before here or after leaving) Shero has some fault in this. We won with skill up the middle and grinders on the wing sprinkled in with decent defensive players and completely deviated from that.
How that deals with Sutter - I think Scott is right but he should be directing his things at the entire teams style of play/roster. If you ask Sutter (and Jesse thx for the stats) to play that style and situation you need via coaching or GM to flank him with guys who can get the puck deep and create any momentum at some point in a series.
While the stats tell a true story I still say the eyeball test tells another chapter. We simply made it too easy on the other teams to adjust to that. If I'm the Bruins and you know the Sutter line is going to be all defense all the time I would just throw in the white out towel (that i paid for at dicks) if my top line was out there. do what I can to keep the puck deep, settle down play and wait for a line change. Wy bother giving up an odd man chance you are going to get plenty of those from our other lines skate shoot panic philosophy.
Reading through this thread I think everyone is right in their own way. Scott - the third line needed to do more or in reality third line type play was needed more often from anyone. Jesse the stats say they were dynamite at playing defense and that is true but we needed more pressure and cycle from anyone to win.
Bottom line we are too easy to scout and too easy to play against when given multiple games to prepare for us and what we bring. Unless you are awful like Ottawa.