Rylan wrote:This defense you speak of...you know the bottom pairing of the defense crew that rarely if ever faces the top 2 lines. Are those the guys you are going to tire out? Cause if so, against a coach that matches lines that is for naught. Unless you are hoping to catch the team tired in their own end which may happen once a game per line anyhow. And why does that all fall on Sutter? Why is he the only one that you feel is responsible for this? He plays his role as a 3rd line defensive specialist. If you can't see the value in a potential Selke candidate then you are as misguided as you accuse us "apologists" of being.
You show your knowledge colors in full with this post.
#1...the offense will see the lower defensive duo at points in the game. it just always happens. On the same token the top pairing will see time against our third line. Again those both happen at several points in the game.
#2 how on earth do you just dismiss puck possession and how it takes a toll on the other team...regardless of match ups? I know the answer. You dismiss it because the 3rd line does not have that quality. Moreover what about the toll it takes on the forwards. How about the glaring fact that if you have the puck odds increase your team scores and odds increase the other team does not. The 3rd line
#3 By your own admission the 3rd line is playing against the lowest of pairings by the other team. Which makes the lack of possession and production that much more ridiculous.
#4 I see the value in a balanced 3rd line center who understands there are two ends of the rink.
#5 Sutter is a 4th line center playing in the #3 spot. SADLY!
#6 If you pair him with other 3rd liners who make some kind of attempt to play a little offense it is always a two forward show...often times a one forward show. If you line him up with defense only forwards then you concede to the other team your 3rd line will always play on its heels.
#7 Here was a guarantee this playoff run with the 3rd line. At some point every shift they would have to take a face off in their own zone. Sometimes that was more than once...per shift!
You don't think that is a bit much? You don't think that Sutter's defensive numbers are a tad inflated by the fact that moment he hits the ice he is skating backwards. C'mon!
#8 Potential selke candidate? Have you gone mad. What on earth does that even mean. You could say that every year about half the forwards in the NHL..."POTENTIAL selke candidate" potential potential potential.
#9 Why does this get pinned on Sutter? Because he keeps the 3rd line from having an identity. He is so committed to playing defense it renders the 3rd line forwards a two man show..and often a one man show. This equates into puck possession next to zero and good scoring chances next to nothing.
#10 15 playoff games. 3 points. Same amount of goals as Doug Murray.
Same points as Mark Eaton. Eaton played in half the game Sutter did. You know those two guys are as defensive as defensmen come...Right? Jokinen in half the games had 3 points. Finished with a plus 3. Sutter? The Selke candidate..cough cough..potential candidate finished with a minus 1 Please know because someone will spin this saying I said jokinen should be over Sutter...I am just pointing out how terribly one dimensional Sutter's game is. That number is still pretty gloom and doom. Amazing actually. 3 points in 15 games