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If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby Tico Rick on Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:24 pm

Anyone think the Pens beat the Bruins/Blackhawks with Toews?

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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby FreeCandy44 on Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:28 pm

Just stop....
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby SoCalPenguin on Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:30 pm

I wonder if the Hawks would have won in both of their Finals appearances if they had to face an opponent as good as 2008 Detroit?

I'm guessing not.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:41 pm

Tico Rick wrote:Anyone think the Pens beat the Bruins/Blackhawks with Toews?

Spoiler:
:pop: :pop: :pop: :lol: :lol: :lol:


No because then the Hawks would have drafted Staal who would have shut down our type line. You see we would have already traded Malkin to LA and Jokinen wouldn't have been as effective as Sutter was. Our 2nd line of Toews/Iginla/Neal was shut out still and people are talking about trading Toews cause he can't perform in crunch time not realizing Iginla would have scored 43 playoff points if he just played the RW.

Duh.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby bhaw on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:48 am

I think you have to consider the events that would have led up to this point first...

Pens likely beat Detroit in 2008
MT is never fired in 2009 bc of this
Pens adapt a stronger and stronger trap system each year MDFLMT (malevolent dictator for life MT) remains coach, making Fleury into a 3 time Vezina winner by 2013
Sid and Malkin each win Selke's thanks to the 1.04 GAA the team gives up but never sniff the Art Ross.
MT goes apoplectic following a 5 game losing streak where Letang makes numerous mistakes. The outcome is Tyler Kennedy's head on a pike just outside the Pens locker room, a constant reminder of what they do to "soff" players in French Canadia.
MT is jailed leading to the hiring of recently fired Caps coach Dan Bylsma... Bylsma was doomed from the start when he and superstar Alex Ovechkin couldn't agree on the pronunciation of "get to our game."
In the 2012 offseason, the Penguins determine they are unable to keep Crosby, Malkin, and Toews with the salary cap in place, so Toews is traded to the Canes for Brandon Sutter, Dumoulin, and the 8th overall pick.
Pens flourish under DB and finish first in the East. They struggle a bit in the first round vs NYI after adding Iginla, Morrow, and Jussi Jokinen at the deadline. Their play picks back up in round 2 as they crush the Sens.
In the conference finals, rookie coach Dan Bylsma struggles with his new system vs the trapping Bruins and the Pens lose a tough series.
GMRS is so impressed with Bylsma's first year, he signs him to a 3 year extension through the 2015/16 season and announces the extension of star center Evgeni Malkin.

So the answer is NO bit it's amazing how one minor change can put us in such a different situation.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby SoCalPenguin on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:44 am

Meh. The difference in talent between Toews and Staal is a minor issue at best. The real key is whether we could get to our game or not.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby jimjom on Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:13 am

Yes is my answer
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby Desiato on Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:08 am

The Pens didn't lose because of a lack of talent.

Had the Pens drafted Toews, he very likely would have been placed in the same role as Staal, behind Sid and Geno. He would not have had the opportunity to show the traits that make him a great player in Chicago. And, like Staal, he probably would have had greater aspirations than to be a career 3rd line center and would have been moved by now; so the question is moot.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby ville5 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:33 am

Now if they had Bryan Bickell-stabber, that's a different story.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby Rugbymuffin on Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:50 am

Nope.

If Tukka Rask plays like Tukka Rask then the Penguins win.

Seriously, what happened there ? Couldn't get a puck past the guy if you had a shotgun and grenades to get it done with against the Penguins, but a series later you just put the puck anywhere near the net, and it goes in.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby owtahear on Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:58 am

Rugbymuffin wrote:Nope.

If Tukka Rask plays like Tukka Rask then the Penguins win.

Seriously, what happened there ? Couldn't get a puck past the guy if you had a shotgun and grenades to get it done with against the Penguins, but a series later you just put the puck anywhere near the net, and it goes in.


I think another thing that happened is just like with the Flyers last year, the Pens had such a target on their back that the B's just elevated, Rask played out of his mind, but besides that, Sid and Letang did not play well, Geno tried and Neal's laser shots that usually found the back of the net hit posts or went inches wide.

But back to the OP.....yeah, Staal over Toews is a mistake by GMRS. All jokes aside, having Toews could have led to trading Geno for a huge package in return.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:00 am

Would the Pens have kept Crosby or Malkin at that point? I mean of course Toews would be kept, but which one do you get rid of? I guess Crosby would be redundant, he's not really one to play alternate captain.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby Malkamaniac on Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:14 am

Even made in a sarcastic sense these are stupid.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby CERV96 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:37 am

What if Hossa stayed? Hawks were able to make the proper financial adjustments under the old cap system to make it work as well no?
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby wondermoose on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:46 am

It's funny because Shero drafted Staal because he envisioned the perfect third-line center, a shutdown player with a scoring touch. Now, Toews is the one winning Selkes and has a cap hit $0.3 million higher than what Staal makes.

Go figure.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby MRandall25 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:49 am

wondermoose wrote:It's funny because Shero drafted Staal because he envisioned the perfect third-line center, a shutdown player with a scoring touch. Now, Toews is the one winning Selkes and has a cap hit $0.3 million higher than what Staal makes.

Go figure.


He was also making $6.3 mil on his 2nd contract. Staal is still technically making $2.3 mil less than Toews is until next season starts.

Can't imagine what Toews will get paid when this one is up.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby DontToewsMeBro on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:52 am

Probably something close to what Perry/Getz make, but he deserves every dollar. He's not in the top tier offensively, but he's a pretty damn good 'C' for how young he still is.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby pfim on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:53 am

If the Pens had drafted Toews, we'd all be throwing him under the bus for his lack of playoff production.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby shmenguin on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:23 pm

wondermoose wrote:It's funny because Shero drafted Staal because he envisioned the perfect third-line center, a shutdown player with a scoring touch. Now, Toews is the one winning Selkes and has a cap hit $0.3 million higher than what Staal makes.

Go figure.


I don't think staal was drafted #2 overall to be a 3rd line center. It just naturally worked out that way, but that wasn't the goal.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby wondermoose on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:54 pm

shmenguin wrote:
wondermoose wrote:It's funny because Shero drafted Staal because he envisioned the perfect third-line center, a shutdown player with a scoring touch. Now, Toews is the one winning Selkes and has a cap hit $0.3 million higher than what Staal makes.

Go figure.


I don't think staal was drafted #2 overall to be a 3rd line center. It just naturally worked out that way, but that wasn't the goal.


It was exactly why Staal was picked before Backstrom or Toews. They already had Sid and Malkin and were looking to fill out their third-line center.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby shmenguin on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:35 pm

You trade down if that's the case. I think they just thought staal was the best player available.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby She'sTheFastest on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:40 pm

Bylsma would have swtiched to contacts and all these points would be moot.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby DelPen on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:41 pm

In hindsight I'm still good with the Staal pick. It worked out great for a few years.

Now St Louis has to be kicking themselves for not picking him.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:41 pm

wondermoose wrote:
shmenguin wrote:
wondermoose wrote:It's funny because Shero drafted Staal because he envisioned the perfect third-line center, a shutdown player with a scoring touch. Now, Toews is the one winning Selkes and has a cap hit $0.3 million higher than what Staal makes.

Go figure.


I don't think staal was drafted #2 overall to be a 3rd line center. It just naturally worked out that way, but that wasn't the goal.


It was exactly why Staal was picked before Backstrom or Toews. They already had Sid and Malkin and were looking to fill out their third-line center.


There is no way that is true.
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Re: If shero had drafted Jonathan Toews... Do the pens win?

Postby ysthomas on Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:18 pm

If you wanna get really deep, if they draft toews, Sid doesn't get a concussion. It would have completely shifted the space time continuum.
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