Fleury to see a sports psychologist

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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby brwi on Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:33 am

ExPatriatePen wrote:Does it really matter?

He's going to see this SP and then he's going to get between the pipes.

Either he'll produce, or he won't. If he does, problem solved, if he doesn't then HCDB and GMRS have some decisions to make.

All of this teeth gnashing isn't going to make a spit in the oceans bit of difference.


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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby Factorial on Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:29 am

Has the birth of his child been mentioned as being a factor in his play in the playoffs? For those of us with children, we know how insignificant other things in our lives can become when that happens. If nothing else it's a huge distraction.
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby Guinness on Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:32 am

Factorial wrote:Has the birth of his child been mentioned as being a factor in his play in the playoffs? For those of us with children, we know how insignificant other things in our lives can become when that happens. If nothing else it's a huge distraction.


I considered it in regards to this year's playoffs, but it doesn't do anything to explain last year's fiasco.

Unless, of course, they were in the midst of "trying". :pop:
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby topshelf on Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:49 pm

Factorial wrote:Has the birth of his child been mentioned as being a factor in his play in the playoffs? For those of us with children, we know how insignificant other things in our lives can become when that happens. If nothing else it's a huge distraction.


Interesting... it could have had the opposite affect that it had on Lemieux.

When Austin was born, Lemieux scored 5 goals in one game. When Fleury's kid was born, he let in 5 goals in one game... :wink:
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby Staggy on Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:05 pm

Seems like the kid made him play exactly the same way as he has the last few playoffs.
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby IMFC on Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:08 pm

I'm sticking to my assessment - Fleury is at his best when the puck movement is predictable and he relies on his reactions. He is very difficult to beat with 'skill'.

His huge weakness is a panic when things are unpredictable - turnovers, bounces behind him, and filly's chaotic side-to-side powerplay. I've said before that knowing this, Bylsma should play a system that minimizes those things.

That 'panic' mode CAN be trained out of him by a good therapist. To what extent? We'll see. 'Cause DB ain't changing.
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby Sieve70 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:57 pm

This approach worked well with Vokoun and his OCD... it can't hurt!
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby The Snapshot on Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:31 pm

I guess that there will always be folks who cannot accept that Fleury is a below average goalie when it matters. I've been saying it for years now, and even in the face of this past season's collapse he still has "chicken or the egg" support.

He is a $5M goalie with a 10 cent head. Why all the debate?

If this doesn't work, he will be replaced. Management has made it clear by bringing in Vokoun last year, drafting a batch of young goalies and now firing Meloche while pressing the SC angle. Fleury knows it. Let's hope he can respond and manage that head of his. Everything else is good enough to be an elite goalie. If it weren't for his raw skills and two great games in his career, he'd have been dumped years ago.
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby pcm on Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:35 pm

The Snapshot wrote:I guess that there will always be folks who cannot accept that Fleury is a below average goalie when it matters. I've been saying it for years now, and even in the face of this past season's collapse he still has "chicken or the egg" support.


Your perspective is just as extreme as the opposing side. Fleury wouldn't have been given that $5m contract (by the same management whose actions you are now using as evidence for your didactic argument) if he was below average "when it matters", whatever that means.
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:19 am

I love all of this discussion over MAF.

On something as intangible as his psychological state no less.

Entertaining. :pop:
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby Sarcastic on Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:47 am

ExPatriatePen wrote:I love all of this discussion over MAF.

On something as intangible as his psychological state no less.

Entertaining. :pop:


Well. It's easy to see there is something wrong with him either psychologically or emotionally. I fully support him going to a shrink over it.
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby Godric on Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:55 am

pcm wrote:
The Snapshot wrote:I guess that there will always be folks who cannot accept that Fleury is a below average goalie when it matters. I've been saying it for years now, and even in the face of this past season's collapse he still has "chicken or the egg" support.


Your perspective is just as extreme as the opposing side. Fleury wouldn't have been given that $5m contract (by the same management whose actions you are now using as evidence for your didactic argument) if he was below average "when it matters", whatever that means.


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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby pensfan1989 on Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:56 am

I don't buy the "we let MAF down" lines from the players. Every time he struggles someone says that.

Same thing happened when Johnson looked great in 2010 at the beginning of the year and MAF looked terrible.
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby penny lane on Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:19 am

Soon Sid and Evgeni may have to see a psychologist ~ how to score a clutch goal for the pens. :D ;)
Teasing only... maybe.
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby Tico Rick on Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:26 am

penny lane wrote:Soon Sid and Evgeni may have to see a psychologist ~ how to score a clutch goal for the pens. :D ;)
Teasing only... maybe.

In the past the Pens modus operandi was to bring in experienced vets like Roberts and Guerin to guide the young stars and show them how to keep cool under pressure and how to rise to the occasion. Sid, Geno, and Letang now have enough experience that they should be the ones doing that. Unfortunately that's something we haven't seen yet.
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby PAPLine on Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:33 am

I believe that this could be the best thig for MAF. His concentration does seem to wander, quite a lot, especially in the playoffs. My concern is that management is pushing the SP, but it MAF resists and does not see the value of it, it could be more detrimental than positive. Announcing it puts the onus on MAF to understand that it is needed, and he needs to change his mindset.
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:41 am

All announcing it does is make the fans understand that the team is giving him one more chance to get it together or something will be done. Its basically making an excuse for keeping him one more year even though they don't really have a lot to gain if they get rid of him now.
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby shmenguin on Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:48 am

Idoit40fans wrote:All announcing it does is make the fans understand that the team is giving him one more chance to get it together or something will be done. Its basically making an excuse for keeping him one more year even though they don't really have a lot to gain if they get rid of him now.


yeah, this. or maybe they got word that this was about to get leaked and they wanted to control the story on their terms. or both.
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby BuckintheLou on Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:08 pm

A 'no-brainer' really (especially with all the money they have wrapped up in this guy already). Why wouldn't ya?!
Wouldn't hurt for Ray to look into a psychologist (not a sports psychologist) as well what with some of the "feel good" money/contracts
he's been doling out over the past 2-3 years.
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby helmespc on Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:26 pm

I think someone should make sure his neck meat is ok, first....
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby Scott on Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:23 pm

What did I tell ya... the Pens would have a head Doctor see him because they are not going to trade him. 8-)
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby Crankshaft on Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:25 pm

BuckintheLou wrote:A 'no-brainer' really (especially with all the money they have wrapped up in this guy already). Why wouldn't ya?!
Wouldn't hurt for Ray to look into a psychologist (not a sports psychologist) as well what with some of the "feel good" money/contracts
he's been doling out over the past 2-3 years.


I know this wasn't the point of your post, but 'all the money they have wrapped up in this guy'? His contract has proven to be pretty conservative given what goalies are getting on the market right now.
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby GSdrums87 on Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:30 pm

Scott wrote:What did I tell ya... the Pens would have a head Doctor see him because they are not going to trade him. 8-)

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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby littlemoonboot on Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:07 am

LOL it's about time. It couldn't hurt, anyway.
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Re: Fleury to see a sports psychologist

Postby Tico Rick on Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:02 pm

I think LGP should hire a sports psychologist for board members. :pop:
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