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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby Dickie Dunn on Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:39 pm

pens_CT wrote:
Bioshock wrote:Dejan seems to think that this hire came from above and that it's very odd to have a coach of this style and pedigree be the SECOND assistant head coach on the team. Insinuates that if the team falters, this would be the guy to take over.

I agree with him.

I tend to agree. Shero was in the Senators organization when Martin was the coach. Martin's coaching style is pretty much opposite of HCDB. I'd like to know what responsibilites Martin will have versus the other two assistant coaches. Does any other team in the NHL have three assistants?


http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26102

10 teams in the NHL with three assistant coaches.

Edit: IIRC the Penguins spent many years with three assistant coaches.
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby Great58 on Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:42 pm

Bob Gainey also praised Martin... saying "I shudder when I think back to the style of play we faced when he was coaching the Senators. It was a style that was always in our end zone. I thought that was not a very good style for us and a pretty good style for them."


Good defensive coach and former Jack Adams award winner behind the bench? I'm all in favor of it.
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby Rylan on Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:43 pm

Dickie Dunn wrote:
pens_CT wrote:
Bioshock wrote:Dejan seems to think that this hire came from above and that it's very odd to have a coach of this style and pedigree be the SECOND assistant head coach on the team. Insinuates that if the team falters, this would be the guy to take over.

I agree with him.

I tend to agree. Shero was in the Senators organization when Martin was the coach. Martin's coaching style is pretty much opposite of HCDB. I'd like to know what responsibilites Martin will have versus the other two assistant coaches. Does any other team in the NHL have three assistants?


http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26102

10 teams in the NHL with three assistant coaches.

Edit: IIRC the Penguins spent many years with three assistant coaches.


I can't believe how many recent former goalies are goalie coaches in the NHL.
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby thehockeyguru on Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:45 pm

I'm hopeful that Bylsma is officially on the heat seat.
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby André on Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:45 pm

Defensive expertise and maybe something of a hint at challenge for Bylsma. Love it.
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby Idoit40fans on Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:47 pm

Factorial wrote:Good move. Also, hopefully this will placate the Bylsma haters.


Added promise to a Bylsma firing.
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby Dickie Dunn on Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:47 pm

Rylan wrote:
Dickie Dunn wrote:
pens_CT wrote:
Bioshock wrote:Dejan seems to think that this hire came from above and that it's very odd to have a coach of this style and pedigree be the SECOND assistant head coach on the team. Insinuates that if the team falters, this would be the guy to take over.

I agree with him.

I tend to agree. Shero was in the Senators organization when Martin was the coach. Martin's coaching style is pretty much opposite of HCDB. I'd like to know what responsibilites Martin will have versus the other two assistant coaches. Does any other team in the NHL have three assistants?


http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26102

10 teams in the NHL with three assistant coaches.

Edit: IIRC the Penguins spent many years with three assistant coaches.


I can't believe how many recent former goalies are goalie coaches in the NHL.


Wow. Its most of the league. And not many of them were very good.

Guess that means Skudra or Aubin is replacing Meloche?
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby DelPen on Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:13 pm

Dump Rierden and I think we have a solid staff
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:15 pm

Colligan also says that Shero has narrowed down the list of goalie coaches to.3
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby pcm on Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:25 pm

TheHammer24 wrote:
no name wrote:Players love Bylsma and how he handles the team. He is someone in the locker room that players are comfortable playing for. This is a small part as to what makes player want to stay with the Pens.

Now getting a stratgy coach like Martin is super smart for Shero to bring in. Ok Dan can be the great guy in the locker room but it will be Martin outlining the system for the players to use on this ice. Dan just goes over it in the room. I am sure Martin scout the other teams and how they play and suggest it might be better for the Pens to play this system vs them.

Don't get me wrong i am not a Byslma supporter and would much rather see a Martin behind the bench. But i can't say the idea doesn't make good sence if my guess is right. Martin systems, Bylsma teaches it.

It was always said Bob Johnson taught the penguins the system but it was Bowmans plans he was following in the 90 cup run.


These sorts of posts make me want to absolutely rip my hair out. Byslma is an absolutely excellent X's and O's coach. He's not some buddy of the players, although he is undoubtedly a phenomenal coach for whom to play. Some times those X's and O's, I'm sure, could align differently, and Martin, who is an excellent defensive system coach, will augment Danny B's system. But the suggestion that Martin is going to be the shadow coach because Byslma is just a friend shows a naivete so absurd I can't handle it.


What exactly is the evidence for this [bolded part]? Blysma's systems have not worked out very well in my eyes. So I'm curious why you'd think so?

And on the scale of Buddy-coach to taskmaster, Blysma would definitely fall in the buddy coach side of player approval. Except for rookies :wink:
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby Crankshaft on Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:27 pm

MRandall25 wrote:Colligan also says that Shero has narrowed down the list of goalie coaches to.3


Fleury is going to have a monster season. First Vezina-quality season.
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby SolidSnake on Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:32 pm

I like this move no matter Shero's reasoning it also doesn't affect my opinion of wanting Byslma gone from the team
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby pcm on Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:33 pm

Crankshaft wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:Colligan also says that Shero has narrowed down the list of goalie coaches to.3


Fleury is going to have a monster season. First Vezina-quality season.


It would be pretty sweet if he forced Canada's hand and won the starting job with his play, and lead the team to gold. Only reason I'd root for Canada.
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby pugilist13 on Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:49 pm

I wonder how this sits with Disco. I love the move, Shero just sending a bit of a message.
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby Desiato on Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:49 pm

This is the first move of the summer that renews my hope. It shows the organization recognizes an important issue.

While both DB and JM preach a puck control mantra, they execute it completely differently. Martin's system has the patience and savvy that Bylsma's gogogo systems have lacked.
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby Rylan on Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:51 pm

Why must everything be about "sending a message" and not just addressing a need?
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby pcm on Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:55 pm

Desiato wrote:This is the first move of the summer that renews my hope.


Agreed. I hope Blysma succeeds, but he will be on a short leash. Hopefully embracing Martin (bad image) means he's willing to adapt and learn how to play a more aware game.

Moving forward this summer, it will be interesting to see how Shero resolves the cap situation, and if he does anything to improve the forwards.
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby Idoit40fans on Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:59 pm

Rylan wrote:Why must everything be about "sending a message" and not just addressing a need?


Whether it was intended or not, it sends a message. Thats why its "about" sending a message.
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby Pens4Life on Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:14 pm

I like this move :thumb: JM is good defensive coach.
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby Pitt87 on Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:23 pm

For all the talk -- mine included -- about the lack of adjustment by GMRS, he's done a lot to focus on righting the defensive issues with this team in just about every way; personnel, coaching, attitude.
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby Rylan on Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:25 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:
Rylan wrote:Why must everything be about "sending a message" and not just addressing a need?


Whether it was intended or not, it sends a message. Thats why its "about" sending a message.


This is just the current situation that it bugs me. But its a buzz phrase that irks me. When Hartzell was signed, people remarked how it was sending a message to Fleury. In this case, it could easily be just as reasonable as creating the best staff possible. No thoughts of sending HCDB packing, just getting the best cast on the bench.
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby Crankshaft on Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:25 pm

Rylan wrote:Why must everything be about "sending a message" and not just addressing a need?


It's not just about reinforcing the defense, it's about sending a message.

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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby IntangibleBeer on Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:02 pm

Desiato wrote:This is the first move of the summer that renews my hope. It shows the organization recognizes an important issue.

While both DB and JM preach a puck control mantra, they execute it completely differently. Martin's system has the patience and savvy that Bylsma's gogogo systems have lacked.



This! :thumb:

I wonder how RS is going to address the PK / forechecking holes left by TK and Cooke's departures? Those grit roles are essential.
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby IanMoran on Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:04 pm

Only negative is DB will do fine in the regular season, so we're going to waste another of Crosby / Geno's prime
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Re: Jacques Martin hired by the Penguins as an assistant coa

Postby FreeCandy44 on Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:05 pm

This move was simply made to keep PR active during the summer.
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