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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:57 pm

Yeah, rather than announcing retirment now and sticking them with the cap hit. Same thing, shorter term.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby tfrizz on Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:11 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:Yeah, rather than announcing retirment now and sticking them with the cap hit. Same thing, shorter term.


The article mentioned that he's back on blood thinners, which means he's probably out for 6+ months regardless. No reason he has to make a hasty decision, even if he's already decided he's going to retire.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby llipgh2 on Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:04 pm

What's unnerving about the article is he had multiple clots. He is incredibly fortunate the Pens team doctor sent him to the hospital immediately.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby Shyster on Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:30 pm

llipgh2 wrote:What's unnerving about the article is he had multiple clots. He is incredibly fortunate the Pens team doctor sent him to the hospital immediately.

Wow, yeah. That article makes it sound far more serious than what has been reported locally.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby Tomas on Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:00 pm

So here are some correct quotes from the MF Dnes article

"I have moved my career down the list of my priorities. I'm old as a hockey player, but not yet as a person. I hope to have more than one half of my life[span] ahead of me. Health is much more important than sport."

"My leg got swollen, I got really scared. Within an hour and a half, I was lying in an operating room. Everybody would be scared for his life in such a case. Luckily, they took such a good care of me. Our doctor knows the local specialist who immediately operated on me. I had blood clots from the mid-thigh nearly up to my heart. "

"I am lucky that they found out about the problem soon enough. It's not something that you'd wish as a gift from Santa, but I hope the worst is behind me. "

"Naturally, I have been thinking that this may be the end of my career. It would not be a particularly hard decision for me. Right now, I'll be mainly obeying the doctors' [orders.] My health is clearly the No. 1 priority."

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BTW, the quotes are apparently just a teaser for a much longer interview. Sometimes, though, they don't put the long interviews online.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby llipgh2 on Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:15 pm

Thanks as always Tomas.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby Jim on Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:58 am

Spectors has rumor about Theodore being in talks with the Pens as Vokoun's replacement... yikes.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby columbia on Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:03 am

I don't know that it matters too much. I can see giving Zathoff a legitimate shot and falling back on someone like Theodore, as necessary. You couldn't really expect your (admittedly quality) backup to pick up the pieces a second year in a row, even if he weren't in such a precarious situation. And you certainly can't rely on anyone out there now.

It's all up to the franchise goalie in the playoffs (as it should be).
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby GSdrums87 on Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:30 am

If we're bringing in a veteran backup, I demand Moose. I don't care how he plays, I don't care how much he signs for, I just want my bobblehead from King's on the turnpike to be relevant again.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby penny lane on Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:49 am

Tomas wrote:So here are some correct quotes from the MF Dnes article

"I have moved my career down the list of my priorities. I'm old as a hockey player, but not yet as a person. I hope to have more than one half of my life[span] ahead of me. Health is much more important than sport."

"My leg got swollen, I got really scared. Within an hour and a half, I was lying in an operating room. Everybody would be scared for his life in such a case. Luckily, they took such a good care of me. Our doctor knows the local specialist who immediately operated on me. I had blood clots from the mid-thigh nearly up to my heart. "

"I am lucky that they found out about the problem soon enough. It's not something that you'd wish as a gift from Santa, but I hope the worst is behind me. "

"Naturally, I have been thinking that this may be the end of my career. It would not be a particularly hard decision for me. Right now, I'll be mainly obeying the doctors' [orders.] My health is clearly the No. 1 priority."

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BTW, the quotes are apparently just a teaser for a much longer interview. Sometimes, though, they don't put the long interviews online.



Thank-you Tomas. Without the fast action on the pens medical staff, could have been tragic.
Healing vibes to Tomas Vokoun.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:55 am

columbia wrote:I don't know that it matters too much. I can see giving Zathoff a legitimate shot and falling back on someone like Theodore, as necessary. You couldn't really expect your (admittedly quality) backup to pick up the pieces a second year in a row, even if he weren't in such a precarious situation. And you certainly can't rely on anyone out there now.

It's all up to the franchise goalie in the playoffs (as it should be).


Agreed 100%. Regardless of injury you can't count on a backup year in and year out. Although with cup aspirations they will most likely go the veteran route anyways IMHO (which means that yes they understandably do not trust Fleury).

TV to LTIR, Despres down. Veteran backup signed. $500,0000 for minor deadline pickup.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby pcm on Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:20 am

Wow, TV, I hope this doesn't mean the end of hockey for him... But at least it's not the end the end. Scary stuff.

Gotta think the Pens are now on the lookout for a veteran backup who can play 30+ games. I still think Bryz is the best option out there, and really the only one who can reliably play that many games. Theodore, Hedberg, etc. wouldn't be able to do that. I don't see anything on the trade market that fits that bill either. Better to just stick with Zatkoff than get a Hedberg (unless Zatkoff wets the bed.)
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby shmenguin on Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:10 am

vokoun was good enough to get us to the finals last year, and it's no stretch to say it was possible that he would have been good enough to get us the cup. so, as a whole, our goaltending tandem was "good enough". without vokoun, that's likely not the case. losing him for the season is very bad news. losing him for several months doesn't really matter.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby tfrizz on Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:31 am

shmenguin wrote:vokoun was good enough to get us to the finals last year, and it's no stretch to say it was possible that he would have been good enough to get us the cup. so, as a whole, our goaltending tandem was "good enough". without vokoun, that's likely not the case. losing him for the season is very bad news. losing him for several months doesn't really matter.


Which brings up a whole new set of issues. The previous couple of runs there were excuses - injuries, poor goaltending, etc. Last year the team was loaded, full strength, healthy, and good very good goaltending out of Vokoun - and they still got completely embarrassed by the Bruins, who I'd argue don't have nearly the talent the Pens have.

To add insult to injury, on two occasions the Blackhawks scored more goals in a single game against the Bruins than the Pens did in their entire series...
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby shmenguin on Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:41 am

tfrizz wrote:
shmenguin wrote:vokoun was good enough to get us to the finals last year, and it's no stretch to say it was possible that he would have been good enough to get us the cup. so, as a whole, our goaltending tandem was "good enough". without vokoun, that's likely not the case. losing him for the season is very bad news. losing him for several months doesn't really matter.


Which brings up a whole new set of issues. The previous couple of runs there were excuses - injuries, poor goaltending, etc. Last year the team was loaded, full strength, healthy, and good very good goaltending out of Vokoun - and they still got completely embarrassed by the Bruins, who I'd argue don't have nearly the talent the Pens have.

To add insult to injury, on two occasions the Blackhawks scored more goals in a single game against the Bruins than the Pens did in their entire series...


well i don't think it's a big mystery. our bottom 6 was a big bowl of nothing.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby tfrizz on Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:49 am

shmenguin wrote:
tfrizz wrote:
shmenguin wrote:vokoun was good enough to get us to the finals last year, and it's no stretch to say it was possible that he would have been good enough to get us the cup. so, as a whole, our goaltending tandem was "good enough". without vokoun, that's likely not the case. losing him for the season is very bad news. losing him for several months doesn't really matter.


Which brings up a whole new set of issues. The previous couple of runs there were excuses - injuries, poor goaltending, etc. Last year the team was loaded, full strength, healthy, and good very good goaltending out of Vokoun - and they still got completely embarrassed by the Bruins, who I'd argue don't have nearly the talent the Pens have.

To add insult to injury, on two occasions the Blackhawks scored more goals in a single game against the Bruins than the Pens did in their entire series...


well i don't think it's a big mystery. our bottom 6 was a big bowl of nothing.


Agreed. The bottom 6 is what makes or breaks a playoff team, but you still can't have superstars like Crosby and Malkin being held pointless through 4 games of a playoff series.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby shmenguin on Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:01 am

tfrizz wrote:
shmenguin wrote:
tfrizz wrote:
shmenguin wrote:vokoun was good enough to get us to the finals last year, and it's no stretch to say it was possible that he would have been good enough to get us the cup. so, as a whole, our goaltending tandem was "good enough". without vokoun, that's likely not the case. losing him for the season is very bad news. losing him for several months doesn't really matter.


Which brings up a whole new set of issues. The previous couple of runs there were excuses - injuries, poor goaltending, etc. Last year the team was loaded, full strength, healthy, and good very good goaltending out of Vokoun - and they still got completely embarrassed by the Bruins, who I'd argue don't have nearly the talent the Pens have.

To add insult to injury, on two occasions the Blackhawks scored more goals in a single game against the Bruins than the Pens did in their entire series...


well i don't think it's a big mystery. our bottom 6 was a big bowl of nothing.


Agreed. The bottom 6 is what makes or breaks a playoff team, but you still can't have superstars like Crosby and Malkin being held pointless through 4 games of a playoff series.


well i didn't want to get into it in this thread, but sid has a pretty clear history of being totally shut down in tight series'.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby columbia on Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:02 am

Vokoun gave them a chance to win against Boston, but we can't say that about many other key players.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby tfrizz on Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:10 am

shmenguin wrote:well i didn't want to get into it in this thread, but sid has a pretty clear history of being totally shut down in tight series'.


There's no getting into it because it's true. He did alright with 6 points in 6 games against Detroit in 2007-08, but beyond that it's been less than stellar - 2 points in 7 games against Detroit in 2008-09, 5 points in 7 games against Montreal in 2009-10 (2 x 2-point games), and 0 points in 4 games against Boston in 2012-13.

Looking at the game log from May/June, one has to wonder if he wasn't a bit gun shy after taking the cage off. In his 5 games against the Islanders, he recorded 3 goals and 6 assists. In his 9 games against the Senators & Bruins, he recorded 4 goals (including a hat trick) and 2 assists.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby llipgh2 on Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:11 am

Jim wrote:Spectors has rumor about Theodore being in talks with the Pens as Vokoun's replacement... yikes.


The RDS hockey beat writers reported a team is opening talks with Theodore. It wasn't the Pens. I want to say Nashville, but I don't think that's right. St. Louis maybe.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby suzinpgh on Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:26 am

Blood clots are serious stuff, whether it's one clot or multiple clots. We all to some extent rely on our physical health to make a living, but a pro athlete does to a much greater extent. This isn't like playing through the pain. Being on blood thinners is also serious stuff and it could be a long time before we see Tomas back on the ice practicing let alone in a game.

Willing to give Jeff Z a shot, and be patient with that shot, but would rather see an aging Moose as a Penguin than Jose Theodore.

Tomas is smart to re-evaluate where he is in his life after this scare. That being said, hope to see him in a Pens uniform again. Seems like a pretty decent chap.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby Beveridge on Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:36 am

Trade for Halak and reunite him with ACJM. :pop:
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby Jim on Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:37 am

tfrizz wrote:Agreed. The bottom 6 is what makes or breaks a playoff team, but you still can't have superstars like Crosby and Malkin being held pointless through 4 games of a playoff series.


Wait... I thought the key was defense... or wait... I thought it was goaltending? Ok, it's bottom 6. Got it.
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby Jim on Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:38 am

shmenguin wrote:well i didn't want to get into it in this thread, but sid has a pretty clear history of being totally shut down in tight series'.


Or... is it a tight series when Sid gets shut down?
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Re: Vokoun out indefinitely: blood clot

Postby tfrizz on Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:43 am

Jim wrote:
tfrizz wrote:Agreed. The bottom 6 is what makes or breaks a playoff team, but you still can't have superstars like Crosby and Malkin being held pointless through 4 games of a playoff series.


Wait... I thought the key was defense... or wait... I thought it was goaltending? Ok, it's bottom 6. Got it.


I've always been of the opinion that opposing stars will essentially "cancel each other out" when it comes to a playoff series, so the bottom 6 plays a huge role in the success of a team. Defense is #2 and goaltending is #3.
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