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Re: Fleury is done

Postby Gaucho on Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:26 am

Your analogy was bollocks is all.

I haven't given up on Flower, - yet - but I'm done making excuses for him.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby columbia on Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:28 am

I think the OP is the only one who has given up on him.

There's no way to predict his future. Hell, MAF could **** the bed during the next two playoffs and still be back, if Shero lacks a better option.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby bhaw on Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:36 am

Gaucho wrote:Your analogy was bollocks is all.

I haven't given up on Flower, - yet - but I'm done making excuses for him.


There were no excuses. Pointing out the lack of using a full quote to garner attention and it being used to show Shero's lack of trust. The quotes have no context. Just saying that we don't know if that implies Shero's faith in Fleury OR if he was pointing out the obvious fact that MAF is now plan A and plan B until Vokoun comes back. I think it's beyond clear that from the top down, they are holding Fleury to a higher standard this year due to his playoff struggles (although I appreciate the irony of extending the coach for the same issues). I don't believe there is any disagreement here.

The original quotes are bollocks, is all. Intentionally incomplete. You're right that mine was probably a bit more extreme to prove the point.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby Gaucho on Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:52 am

bhaw wrote: I don't believe there is any disagreement here.

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Re: Fleury is done

Postby llipgh2 on Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:54 am

Fleury knows he's under a lot of pressure this season. Add to that the mandated off season training, psychologist visits and a new goaltending coach. I expected him to stumble out of the gate.

He obviously isn't comfortable yet with the changes Bale is making to his style of play. That is going to take a bit of time. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for a little bit.

If a month or so in and he's still struggling, then you worry.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby Bioshock on Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:13 pm

I have absolutely no faith in Fleury anymore. I haven't even been paying much attention to his performances in the preseason because, let's face it, preseason doesn't mean much.

I'm basing my feelings off the last several years. The dude is done. Hope i'm proved wrong but after that Islanders series and then the few moments against Boston... Jesus...
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby the wicked child on Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:16 pm

Gaucho wrote:I haven't given up on Flower, - yet - but I'm done making excuses for him.

This is pretty much how I feel.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby penny lane on Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:20 pm

Like Gaucho wrote, done with the excuses for Flower; this will be his last chance.
Let us also remember that Sid and Evgeni could not produce a goal through 4 games last spring.
Those two also need to improve on clutch play.
Meaning, all 3 have to produce with that save, that goal to win games. Play-off success is what I pay big bucks to watch.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby Tico Rick on Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:23 pm

IMFC wrote:Anytime someone tries to change their approach to something, they are going to take a step back before going forward again.


While this may be true, I don't see any evidence that Fleury is trying to change his approach. When interviewed at the beginning of camp about the summer "homework" he got from RS, he said that he was not going to be making any major changes (and he didn't seem to be particularly enthusiastic about his homework, either).

But as others have pointed out, Fleury has a history of being a slow starter, and the real test will be in the playoffs anyway.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby Malkamaniac on Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:28 pm

SolidSnake wrote:Ryan Miller to Pitt


Lol that's even worse.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:08 pm

MAF is this generations. Steve Blass. A totally likable Pittsburgh athlete that was good enough to play on a championship team, but subsequently 'lost it'.
It's a shame, but it happens.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby Gaucho on Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:11 pm

At least he's not his generations' Craig Hillier.

Which isn't saying much, of course.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby DelPen on Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:20 pm

He needs to stop giving up a goal on the first shot he sees which seems like almost every game. It doesn't matter what situation it is in, practice, scrimmage, preseason, regular season or playoffs. All show evidence his head is not in the game he is playing.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby SolidSnake on Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:40 pm

Malkamaniac wrote:
SolidSnake wrote:Ryan Miller to Pitt


Lol that's even worse.

Worth a shot
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby pens_CT on Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:41 pm

penny lane wrote:Like Gaucho wrote, done with the excuses for Flower; this will be his last chance.
Let us also remember that Sid and Evgeni could not produce a goal through 4 games last spring.
Those two also need to improve on clutch play.
Meaning, all 3 have to produce with that save, that goal to win games. Play-off success is what I pay big bucks to watch.

:thumb: :thumb: Totally agree. Its always easy to blame the goalie, and in MAF case he deserves his share of the blame, however its time for Sid and Geno to show up when the going gets tough in the playoffs.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby Malkamaniac on Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:56 pm

SolidSnake wrote:
Malkamaniac wrote:
SolidSnake wrote:Ryan Miller to Pitt


Lol that's even worse.

Worth a shot


Isn't this team past the worth a shot stage though? He's more expensive too.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby pens_CT on Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:16 pm

SolidSnake wrote:
Malkamaniac wrote:
SolidSnake wrote:Ryan Miller to Pitt


Lol that's even worse.

Worth a shot

Miller's an older more expensive dog than MAF in my opinion.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby Beveridge on Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:26 pm

What about Moose as a backup if Vokoun is going to be out long term?
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby Gaucho on Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:32 pm

Let Zatkoff handle the job. And if all things fail... panic.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby bse on Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:33 pm

Gaucho wrote:I haven't given up on Flower, - yet - but I'm done making excuses for him.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby bse on Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:36 pm

Remember Fleury has much smaller pads this season :P
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby neophool on Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:38 pm

ugh
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby shafnutz05 on Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:58 pm

OP: hyperbole

Reality: I have little to no confidence in Fleury, especially when it counts.

I admittedly haven't watched any Pens preseason action, but I'm not surprised that he still looks sloppy.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby bhaw on Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:27 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:OP: hyperbole

Reality: I have little to no confidence in Fleury, especially when it counts.

I admittedly haven't watched any Pens preseason action, but I'm not surprised that he still looks sloppy.


Don't let the hyperbole get in the way. The first goal wasn't on him. Poor coverage and Brooks Orpik did a great job blocking MAF's entire view but not blocking the puck.

The D looks just as sloppy as the playoffs. MAF doesn't look worse (or better) than he did before. But the attention he is getting is overlooking the fact that even with Scuderi, our D looks like a steaming pile. We could have a Vezina candidate in goal.
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Re: Fleury is done

Postby Big Easy Pens Fan on Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:31 pm

columbia wrote:I'll be concerned until the evidence indicates that I shouldn't be.
The onus is on MAF to eliminate the doubts of his skeptics, the most important being Ray Shero.

Someone needs to post those comments from yesterday, because Shero possess a healthy amount of doubt right now.

EDIT: courtesy of Gaucho:

Gaucho wrote:Dave Molinari ‏@MolinariPG 2m
Shero, on Fleury's camp: "It's been OK. A work in progress, so far."

Dejan Kovacevic ‏@Dejan_Kovacevic 40s
Shero: Fleury "is going to have to step up, no question."



Ringing endorsement.


"A work in progress"? At this time in Fleury's career these 4 words do not compute.

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