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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby llipgh2 on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:07 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
mikey287 wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
meow wrote:
Gaucho wrote:I still want to strangle the linesman.

What did the linesman do?


Help Stamkos off the ice? Or was it the ref?


It was a ref. I'm pretty okay with that, it's a safety issue. Give him a little push, get him off...as oppose to him trying to crawl off with players skating backwards into him or over him or what have you...


Didn't he interfere with the play, though?


Pens thought he did.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby Shakes on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:07 pm

mikey287 wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
meow wrote:
Gaucho wrote:I still want to strangle the linesman.

What did the linesman do?


Help Stamkos off the ice? Or was it the ref?


It was a ref. I'm pretty okay with that, it's a safety issue. Give him a little push, get him off...as oppose to him trying to crawl off with players skating backwards into him or over him or what have you...


Why not just blow the whistle?
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby mikey287 on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:09 pm

I was watching on the Tampa Bay feed, and they only showed it once because of they have an iso on Stammer. I thought it was ok...another look might change my opinion slightly...but I don't think it was a big deal, could be wrong...if I was in the ref's position, my first instinct is: I would have felt obligated to aid the player as best as I safely could because he's on the far side of the ice.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby skullman80 on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:10 pm

Shakes wrote:
mikey287 wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
meow wrote:
Gaucho wrote:I still want to strangle the linesman.

What did the linesman do?


Help Stamkos off the ice? Or was it the ref?


It was a ref. I'm pretty okay with that, it's a safety issue. Give him a little push, get him off...as oppose to him trying to crawl off with players skating backwards into him or over him or what have you...


Why not just blow the whistle?


That would be too easy haha.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby SMTM on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:10 pm

mikey287 wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
meow wrote:
Gaucho wrote:I still want to strangle the linesman.

What did the linesman do?


Help Stamkos off the ice? Or was it the ref?


It was a ref. I'm pretty okay with that, it's a safety issue. Give him a little push, get him off...as oppose to him trying to crawl off with players skating backwards into him or over him or what have you...


That is a ridiculous play. If it is such a safety issue, blow the whistle and face off at center ice. The ref should be disciplined by the league, if the league has any integrity at all.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby Gaucho on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:10 pm

Yeah, blow the whistle, fine. But escort him halfway to the bench, allowing Tampa to replace him quicker? He also broke his stick, why not bring him a new one while you're at it?
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby MRandall25 on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:11 pm

Gaucho wrote:Yeah, blow the whistle, fine. But escort him halfway to the bench, allowing Tampa to replace him quicker? He also broke his stick, why not bring him a new one while you're at it?


He was looking thirsty. Ref got him the goalie's water bottle.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby mikey287 on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:11 pm

Shakes wrote:
mikey287 wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
meow wrote:
Gaucho wrote:I still want to strangle the linesman.

What did the linesman do?


Help Stamkos off the ice? Or was it the ref?


It was a ref. I'm pretty okay with that, it's a safety issue. Give him a little push, get him off...as oppose to him trying to crawl off with players skating backwards into him or over him or what have you...


Why not just blow the whistle?


The player is not "in distress" from an injury, so you don't like to blow the whistle there...there's no real obligation to blow the whistle there either. In fact, I would have a problem if they blew the whistle for that. You can leave the player there until he's offside or there's another stoppage, or you can give him a shove and try to keep the play going. I'm pretty all right with the decision made, I thought it was proper. But I only had one look at it.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby mikey287 on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:13 pm

SMTM wrote:
mikey287 wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
meow wrote:
Gaucho wrote:I still want to strangle the linesman.

What did the linesman do?


Help Stamkos off the ice? Or was it the ref?


It was a ref. I'm pretty okay with that, it's a safety issue. Give him a little push, get him off...as oppose to him trying to crawl off with players skating backwards into him or over him or what have you...


That is a ridiculous play. If it is such a safety issue, blow the whistle and face off at center ice. The ref should be disciplined by the league, if the league has any integrity at all.


Your last line has no basis in reality.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby SMTM on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:20 pm

It was a ref. I'm pretty okay with that, it's a safety issue. Give him a little push, get him off...as oppose to him trying to crawl off with players skating backwards into him or over him or what have you...[/quote]

That is a ridiculous play. If it is such a safety issue, blow the whistle and face off at center ice. The ref should be disciplined by the league, if the league has any integrity at all.[/quote]

Your last line has no basis in reality.[/quote]

It may not, buy it should. Due to a direct action of the ref to aid a Tampa player to expedite a line change, a goal was scored by the player replacing the aided player. It was an absurdity and showed a lack of judgement that should be disciplined. Mercifully, it did not affect the outcome of the game. I wonder if a trip would have been called on palat if they hadn't evened it up.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby mikey287 on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:24 pm

The ref showed fine judgment, you're just mad that it went "against" you. There's a lot more than meets-the-eye that happens down there, sometimes our homer announcers complain about it (I assume they did, I was watching the Tampa feed), sometimes they don't notice...and *gasp* sometimes things go our way...
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby 71Aj66ax87 on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:26 pm

SMTM wrote:
mikey287 wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
meow wrote:
Gaucho wrote:I still want to strangle the linesman.

What did the linesman do?


Help Stamkos off the ice? Or was it the ref?


It was a ref. I'm pretty okay with that, it's a safety issue. Give him a little push, get him off...as oppose to him trying to crawl off with players skating backwards into him or over him or what have you...


That is a ridiculous play. If it is such a safety issue, blow the whistle and face off at center ice. The ref should be disciplined by the league, if the league has any integrity at all.


If the Bolts didn't score is this an issue?
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby SMTM on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:26 pm

mikey287 wrote:The ref showed fine judgment, you're just mad that it went "against" you. There's a lot more than meets-the-eye that happens down there, sometimes our homer announcers complain about it (I assume they did, I was watching the Tampa feed), sometimes they don't notice...and *gasp* sometimes things go our way...


Your alone with that opinion.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby shmenguin on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:27 pm

In a vacuum, the ref should in no way assist a player in that situation. I guess guys like Mikey know about the factors that break the vacuum, but from the rest of our couches, that looked pretty unacceptable.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby mikey287 on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:28 pm

SMTM wrote:
mikey287 wrote:The ref showed fine judgment, you're just mad that it went "against" you. There's a lot more than meets-the-eye that happens down there, sometimes our homer announcers complain about it (I assume they did, I was watching the Tampa feed), sometimes they don't notice...and *gasp* sometimes things go our way...


Your alone with that opinion.


:lol: :scared:
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby skullman80 on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:28 pm

I don't agree 100% with Mikey, but I don't think the ref did anything too crazy. It's certainly not something that warrants discipline. Sometimes **** happens. You deal with it and move on. Things like that tend to even themselves out over the course of an 82 game season.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby SMTM on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:30 pm

I think it still is. They are talking about it on the post game show. Bylsma said he has never seen that before, and had no further comment.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby SMTM on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:32 pm

mikey287 wrote:
SMTM wrote:
mikey287 wrote:The ref showed fine judgment, you're just mad that it went "against" you. There's a lot more than meets-the-eye that happens down there, sometimes our homer announcers complain about it (I assume they did, I was watching the Tampa feed), sometimes they don't notice...and *gasp* sometimes things go our way...


Your alone with that opinion.


:lol: :scared:



Nice. :roll:
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby skullman80 on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:33 pm

I've seen refs help players with equipment issues before. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. I guess though I don't know what the official protocol is in a situation like that. I would have been fine just blowing the play dead and getting Stamkos off the ice.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby Gaucho on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:37 pm

mikey287 wrote:You can leave the player there until he's offside or there's another stoppage, or you can give him a shove and try to keep the play going.


Put this way it doesn't seem like much of a saftey issue.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby the wicked child on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:38 pm

The big problem with the Stamkos play is the fact that it led directly to a goal... if it doesn't it's probably a passing moment at best.

Since it ultimately didn't decide the game, I am over it... but I would probably be having an aneurysm had things gone differently down the stretch.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby Gaucho on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:42 pm

the wicked child wrote:The big problem with the Stamkos play is the fact that it led directly to a goal... if it doesn't it's probably a passing moment at best.



I was mad even before the goal and would still have an issue with it if nothing had happened. But I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby mikey287 on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:44 pm

shmenguin wrote:In a vacuum, the ref should in no way assist a player in that situation. I guess guys like Mikey know about the factors that break the vacuum, but from the rest of our couches, that looked pretty unacceptable.


Without a doubt. When an official gets involved in the "aid" of one team or another, people will naturally be up in arms about it. That's completely understandable.

I've never reffed in the NHL. And, look, maybe I am wrong about this in this case, I know a couple refs that are pretty high up, I'll ask around and report back whatever I get, but when you're taught about officiating there are situations such as this where you have to use your best judgment. This is a rare one. But as I recall it, you have a player that is behind the play that cannot propel himself off the rink in any meaningful fashion, you may have players skating backwards at full speed coming toward that lame duck player, the player is near you/on your side of the ice, he's far from his bench and play is at the other end of the rink...

My split second judgment would be to propel the player to safety if I could do so...now, of course, play came back the other way and what happened, happened...and that's very unfortunate for us. To me, my initial instinct, would be do the same. He gave a couple strides and a shove...he didn't carry him on his back to the bench, he didn't anything but try to give a player in a tough spot a shove in the right direction without disrupting gameflow. Is the result of the play ideal? No, of course not. But you better believe if Sidney Crosby is in that situation, the same thing is going to happen. I've seen a ref kick a loose glove over to Crosby (Malkin? but I think it was Sid) before during play, these things happen. There is a lot more subjectivity and circumstance in hockey due to the speed of the game and its unique situations...some people can't handle that, some people sit there and focus on the referees all game and let themselves become consumed with officiating and ruin the game for themselves and others...

What happened is just not that big of a deal, I hate to break it to you(s)...
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby Grunthy on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:47 pm

people are mad bc he basically pushed stamkos into martin causing him to miss his assignment.
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Re: OFFICIAL(Emergency) GDT: 10/12/13 PENS at Bolts

Postby SolidSnake on Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:51 pm

I guess Pens fans would of liked it better if the ref would of shoved Stamkos down.
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