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Brandon Sutter

Postby The U on Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:32 pm

I don't feel all that strongly about him in either direction. I'm curious to see what the board thinks after his 69 games played as a Penguin.

I really like when guys have defined roles and I can easily describe their game or style in one phrase. The more I watch Sutter the more I seem to think he's "just a guy" as opposed to the legend or myth we were told of him being some sort of lockdown 3rd line C.

"You never hear his name, and that's a good thing."

Is that really the case? Is he so great on defense that nothing else really matters? Is he really an absolute shut-down 3rd line center? He seems pretty silent on most nights but perhaps I'm not fully appreciating what he is bringing to the table defensively.

"He wasn't brought in for his offense."

Agreed. The Pens can't afford a highly skilled 3rd line C that fills the net. At a 2.1 million dollar cap hit I'd venture to say that a guy like Brandon Sutter is about all you can hope for in terms of his role on this team (as currently constructed). All I'd ask for is a bit more sandpaper and grit to his game. His 6 PIMs in 69 games played as a Penguin is nothing to be proud of IMO.

Brandon Sutter:
$2.1 mil per year
6'3 183lbs
54 games played in the regular season. 11G, 8A, +3, 6 PIM
15 games played in the playoffs. 2G, 1A, -1, 0 PIM

Last year he was 16th in hits on the Penguins team. 50% in the faceoff circle. 180th in the NHL in Takeaways.
This year his numbers are very similar but his faceoff % has gone up to 58%.
Feel free to add Corsi/puck possession stats.

So he's not a guy that will score a bunch of points. He's not a guy that will be in the "best faceoff men in the NHL" conversation. He's 6'3 but doesn't hit or agitate. His 6 PIMs in 69 games comes across as a little soft and disengaged.

Is he such a great shutdown/lockdown Center that none of these other stats mean anything?
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby columbia on Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:37 pm

I think you covered it pretty well with this:

The U wrote:At a 2.1 million dollar cap hit I'd venture to say that a guy like Brandon Sutter is about all you can hope for in terms of his role on this team (as currently constructed).


All I'd ask for is a bit more sandpaper and grit to his game.


That would be nice, but doesn't seem to be part of his game.

Either way, I'm very pleased with Sutter.
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby pugilist13 on Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:40 pm

He's a perfect 3rd line center for this team. Good pk guy and has been surprisingly strong in the dot early. Can chip in once in a while in the offensive zone. Thats one area where I think his game will grow a bit. He doesn't play the "Sutter" brand of hockey, but we knew this before he was drafted.
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby Gaucho on Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:44 pm

columbia wrote:I'm very pleased with Sutter.
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:45 pm

He does the job of a third line center as well as you can hope for someone being paid 3rd line center money. Better than you'd expect in fact.
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby Pitts on Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:45 pm

His 6 PIMs in 69 games comes across as a little soft and disengaged.

Statements like this always confuse me. And, always has traditionally - in the NHL -when talking about a player's "grit" or physicality. Isn't the idea to really NOT take a penalty and put your team down a man for 2 minutes or more?

I'd say hits would be a better stat for that, but even then, you can't rely on that as a "for fact" number since they seem rather arbitrarily (or randomly?) kept track of.

As for Sutter, I know he's capable of a little more offense as evidenced by his time in Carolina. I keep waiting for it to blossom in Pittsburgh. But, he has been rather un-noticeable on the ice so far this season.
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby Eismann on Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:46 pm

He's not very good.

He's not very bad.

He's Kris Beech.

In a way.

Maybe.

Or not.

.

.

Zzzzzzzz
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:48 pm

Pitts wrote:
His 6 PIMs in 69 games comes across as a little soft and disengaged.

Statements like this always confuse me. And, always has traditionally - in the NHL -when talking about a player's "grit" or physicality. Isn't the idea to really NOT take a penalty and put your team down a man for 2 minutes or more?

I'd say hits would be a better stat for that, but even then, you can't rely on that as a "for fact" number since they seem rather arbitrarily (or randomly?) kept track of.

As for Sutter, I know he's capable of a little more offense as evidenced by his time in Carolina. I keep waiting for it to blossom in Pittsburgh. But, he has been rather un-noticeable on the ice so far this season.


I think its fair to use PIMs as a measure for grit only because of the extreme level of arbitrary penalties handed out for both dirty and clean hits. :pop:
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby Gaucho on Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:49 pm

He's the Anti-Kris, more like.
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby sil on Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:51 pm

I'd want to see some more offensive production if his defensive abilities weren't so darn far off the charts. The hardest part of the guy's career as a pen is always going to be his comparrison to the better player in Jordan Staal.

I sometimes like to sit back and guage my thoughts about a player (at least in the context of these types of questions) based on my gut feelings when I watch them play over a long sample period. Sutter is one of those guys that simply makes me feel safe and calm when he has the puck or when he's on the ice...basically because the other team doesn't score that often when he is.

I loved Jordan Staal...and I love Brandon Sutter.
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:00 pm

I would like him more with faster, more productive wingers. He certainly played a solid trap game in the playoffs. But when we needed some depth production which we will again he didn't do it.

Prolly the entire lines fault but still would like to see a little but more cycle at least. Can probably get cheaper guys to just trap, possession in the offensive zone is good defense too - see: 2009.
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby mikey287 on Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:08 pm

Very happy with Sutter. Bad things generally don't happen when he's out there despite the disadvantages that we put him in as a situational matching team (as oppose to line matching). RHS allows for versatility with faceoffs vs. LHS Crosby. Very pleased with what he's brought to the club. Good test this season without another good, veteran, savvy defensive player on his left in Matt Cooke.
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby Pitts on Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:10 pm

I miss Matt Cooke.
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby RisslingsMissingTeeth on Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:12 pm

IMO Sutter is the definition of the word "serviceable".
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby Rylan on Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:13 pm

I think the majority of you have a warped view of what a 3rd line center actually does...
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby SolidSnake on Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:37 pm

Better then Staal
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby helmespc on Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:37 pm

Sometimes I forget he's even on the team...
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby Beveridge on Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:39 pm

Would you rather have Staal and either Geno or Letang OR Geno, letang, sutter, doumolin, pouliot? (I butchered spelling, I know)
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:40 pm

Beveridge wrote:Would you rather have Staal and either Geno or Letang OR Geno, letang, sutter, doumolin, pouliot? (I butchered spelling, I know)


Can I just have Letang, Staal, Sutter, Doumolin, Pouliot?
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby Beveridge on Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:43 pm

Man. I can only begin to think of the comments if Malkin got the same package Staal did.

And I think, I might agree with you. Although I'll had the clause of Crosby being healthy all the time.
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby wondermoose on Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:47 pm

We expect more out of third line center because of Jordan Staal, but Sutter has been awesome so far. I love players that I can ignore for most of the game.
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby Mongoose87 on Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:48 pm

Rylan wrote:I think the majority of you have a warped view of what a 3rd line center actually does...

So, Brandon...

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What exactly would you say you do around here?
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby Steve Dave on Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:52 pm

He lead the team with 5 GW Goals last year.
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby MarioLives on Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:10 pm

It always comes back to Geno. The elephant in the room.
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Re: Brandon Sutter

Postby meecrofilm on Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:14 pm

Yeah.......

.......wait what?
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