RisslingsMissingTeeth wrote:I like Ray for sure, but I'm done with the "he can do no wrong" garbage.
sil wrote:RisslingsMissingTeeth wrote:I like Ray for sure, but I'm done with the "he can do no wrong" garbage.
You probably shouldn't have had anything to do with it from the beginning.
llipgh2 wrote:Pitt87 wrote:farnham16 wrote:MRandall25 wrote:Letang's problem is himself. No amount of coaching can reverse stupidity and lack of intelligence.
Nah. Taking ice time away when he plays with said stupidity over and over again would help send a message. Coaching is a factor.
Coaching is THE factor... because its the only thing thats been missing for the last 2 years. Its the entire reason that Jacques Martin is here. A little early to tell if its helping, but adjustments are in place.
True, but he isn't the head coach. He can only do what DB lets him.
RisslingsMissingTeeth wrote:The thread is titled "do we NEED Letang"? The Pens answered this question already this season by winning consistently without him.
Yes, I was another of those people who desperately did not want him to be re-signed but Shero's loyalty overwhelms his brain a lot of the time. Like I keep saying, he isn't the genius everyone thinks he is, he was the one who was lucky enough to be able to draft Crosby and Geno which made other players want to come here and play as well.
I like Ray for sure, but I'm done with the "he can do no wrong" garbage.
Jim wrote:I believe that the problem with the team is attitude. We are once again sliding into the "country club" type feel. There are a few, maybe a handful, of players on the team that I believe believe that they can do no wrong and have no desire to change or improve. They feel that what they do is fine and everyone else just need to go with it. ... and management and ownership lets them. Until that changes you will just get flashes of brilliance but nothing long lasting.
Great58 wrote:murphydump55 wrote:IF Letang continues his play from the playoffs, like he is this year, then no, we don't need him.
With his current play, it seems he brings more bad than good. Sure he can make a nice first pass and skate really well. However he has absolute brain farts in the defensive zone, he turns pucks over, he gets his shots blocked in the offensive zone more often than not, and when it finally does get through, it misses the net. He's been this way since he first came into the league. I remember these boards salivating at how good he would be when he finally starts hitting the net.....when does that start happening?
He isn't much of an asset on the power play either. Sure every so often he'll make a nice play and everyone will point to it and call out all the Letang haters, but let's be realistic, his nice play every so often doesn't make up for the gaffs he so often makes or his invisible cloak he wears.
I'm fine with his defensive shortcomings if he brought an offensive game, but he doesn't. Sure he'll rush the puck, but 9 times out of 10, he'll gain the zone and take a weak wrist shot on net that the goaltender easily controls. Never does he drive the net, pull up and look for a pass, or even hold on to the puck in the zone. It's always the same weak shot from the boards. He's not a goalscorer, yet with his shot and hands you'd think he'd be able to pot a few more. There's no reason he can't score like Green, Buff, Karlsson, Weber, Markov, etc. His career high of 10 goals seems a little low for someone with his skills.
Ok, let's compare.
Letang 2013: 35 games played, 5 goals 33 assists 38 points. On ice for 44 ES goals for, 28 ES goals against. 2013 Playoffs 13 games, 3 goals, 13 assists 27:38 TOI
Green 2013: 35 games, 12 goals, 14 assists, 26 points. On ice for 24 ES goals for, 27 ESGA. 2013 Playoffs 7 games, 2 goals, 2 assists, 25:32 ATOI
Byfuglien 2013: 43 games, 8 goals, 20 assists 28 points. On ice for 44 ES goals for, 45 goals against. 2013 Playoffs... oh, wait.
Karlsson 2013: 17 games played, 6 goals 12 assists, 18 points. On ice for 17 ES goals, 9 ES goals against. 2013 Playoffs: 10 games 1 goal 7 assists ATOI: 26:44
Weber 2013: 48 games 9 goals 19 assists 28 points. On ice for 38 ESGF, 30 ESGA.
Where exactly is Letang failing in the offensive department relative to these players?
Great58 wrote:murphydump55 wrote:Oh, sorry, I forgot that half of a season means everything.
Ok, why don't you post the comparison numbers for 2012 then for us to discuss?