Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

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Who would you rather play?

Philadelphia
10
14%
Columbus
51
72%
Detroit
10
14%
 
Total votes : 71

Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:28 pm

RxBandit66 wrote:What are the odds of a Boston vs Philly matchup in round 1?


Pretty good. Columbus is only two points behind Philly.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby Factorial on Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:42 pm

RxBandit66 wrote:What are the odds of a Boston vs Philly matchup in round 1?


13.3% according to the above.

It looks to me like the match ups will be:

Pens/Wings (75%)
Boston/CBJ (42%)
MTL/TB (98%)
Cryers/NYR (77%)

The 2nd plays 3rd in each division makes a big difference in the odds vs the previous formula used.

Edit: Fixed typo
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby Factorial on Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:43 pm

Hugo Stiglitz wrote:
RxBandit66 wrote:What are the odds of a Boston vs Philly matchup in round 1?


Pretty good. Columbus is only two points behind Philly.


13.3% isn't very good. :)
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:00 pm

Factorial wrote:
Hugo Stiglitz wrote:
RxBandit66 wrote:What are the odds of a Boston vs Philly matchup in round 1?


Pretty good. Columbus is only two points behind Philly.


13.3% isn't very good. :)


Well, I didn't do the math.

Sorry, Troll.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby Factorial on Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:10 pm

Hugo Stiglitz wrote:
Factorial wrote:
Hugo Stiglitz wrote:
RxBandit66 wrote:What are the odds of a Boston vs Philly matchup in round 1?


Pretty good. Columbus is only two points behind Philly.


13.3% isn't very good. :)


Well, I didn't do the math.

Sorry, Troll.


Either did I as the math was already done and no problem.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby slappybrown on Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:33 pm

How is that trolling?
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:59 am

slappybrown wrote:How is that trolling?


All he does is leave snide comments without ever contributing anything.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby Factorial on Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:23 pm

Hugo Stiglitz wrote:
slappybrown wrote:How is that trolling?


All he does is leave snide comments without ever contributing anything.


I think providing the above match up %'s was a service to the board, no? Especially since it contrasted with the "eye test" when looking at the standings.

And yes, I have made a number of snide comments in this forum recently because the negativism has become so over-the-top. Posters who provide rational, well thought out views based in realty are drowned out by chicken littles, some of whom openly root against the Pens.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:43 pm

Factorial wrote:
Hugo Stiglitz wrote:
slappybrown wrote:How is that trolling?


All he does is leave snide comments without ever contributing anything.


I think providing the above match up %'s was a service to the board, no? Especially since it contrasted with the "eye test" when looking at the standings.

And yes, I have made a number of snide comments in this forum recently because the negativism has become so over-the-top. Posters who provide rational, well thought out views based in realty are drowned out by chicken littles, some of whom openly root against the Pens.


Then why not try to create more constructive discussion rather than perpetuate the issues by doing what a troll does?

I'm not trying to be antagonistic and I don't care if someone disagrees with me, but I'd really like to see the other point of view.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:49 pm

On a side note, I'm not sure how that % was obtained. Games remaining vs. quality/non-quality teams in their schedules?

CBJ & Detroit are only one point apart having played the same number of games. With only four games left, if CBJ wins all their games and Detroit loses only one it all shifts.

Detroit's last four games are Buffalo, Penguins, Carolina and St.Louis. I think they go 2-2 in that run losing to the Pens and Blues.
CBJ's last four games are Phoenix, Dallas, Tampa and Florida. Definitely a tougher schedule than Detroit's as the Yotes and Stars are both fighting for that last spot and Tampa is no cakewalk.

So if the % is based on that, then yes, I could see why 13% would make sense, but we've seen so many times how bottom-feeders play spoiler to other teams trying to get in the playoffs.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby Desiato on Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:12 pm

That CBJ team will be playing the first round like it's the SCF. I don't want the Pens to face them.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, I'd love to see a first round match-up against the Flyers. That would be a fantastic opportunity to exorcise some demons. I think the Pens need a confidence boosting event like a win against them to make it back to the finals. And a loss against the Flyers may expedite significant changes.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby slappybrown on Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:15 pm

At this point, it sounds like need to petition the league to give us a bye as every team is scary apparently.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy on Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:47 pm

I still think it was a ridiculous decision to move Detroit to the Eastern conference.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby shmenguin on Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:09 pm

Desiato wrote:That CBJ team will be playing the first round like it's the SCF. I don't want the Pens to face them.


the legit players on columbus have all been in the playoffs before, and my guess is most of them would rather go play somewhere else rather than cultivate their pride in the jackets. i don't think they'll be any more emotionally invested than any other team. i'd wager less, actually.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:20 pm

Ryan Johansen, their top scorer, has never played in the playoffs.

Bobrovsky only has the equivalent of a series of playoff experience (he got spot duty for Bryzgalov in the 2012 series).

Jack Johnson is a terrible defenseman as is. RJ Umberger can't put in a consistent effort and is getting scratched. Nathan Horton is hurt and may not be back for at least the start of the 1st round. Their best D man is arguably a rookie who has missed the last 2-3 months with a shoulder injury. Pretty much 95% of the rest of their top 6 (Anisimov, Dubinsky, Calvert, Atkinson) would likely be 3rd liners on better teams.

I don't know why anyone would be scared of the Blue Jackets (as much as I enjoy watching them play). They're not going to pose much of a threat to anyone unless that other team overlooks them.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby Desiato on Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:32 pm

MRandall25 wrote:I don't know why anyone would be scared of the Blue Jackets (as much as I enjoy watching them play). They're not going to pose much of a threat to anyone unless that other team overlooks them.

The problem with a team like the CBJ is the effort and enthusiasm they can to the first round. They're the kind of team that can make a contender work harder than it wants to in the first round.

They have no expectations. Management and fans are extremely enthusiastic just to be in the playoffs. There is no weight on the shoulders of the the Blue Jackets. I don't like that against a Pens team I feel is burdened by high expectations.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:47 pm

They haven't been able to string together a consistent effort for more than 2 games (their small streak in January notwithstanding). Even if they pushed for 1 game, they wouldn't be able to keep it up for any meaningful amount of time.

Plus, they've been riding Bobrovsky hard all year. Pretty much the only time he's missed starts is because of injury and illness.

And the Pens went 5-0 against them this year. You can say regular season doesn't mean anything, but the Jackets talked up and treated those matchups as if they were playoff games. They were pretty much giving the Pens their best and have nothing to really show for it.

I've watched enough Blue Jackets hockey this year. They're definitely a "we're just glad to be in the playoffs" type of team, and they haven't even been playing that well down the stretch, hanging onto a spot, when the games really matter (5-4-1 in their last 10).

Again, not worried.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby shmenguin on Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:44 am

More often than not, the crappy team that finally makes the playoffs remains a crappy team in the playoffs.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby Factorial on Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:25 am

Updated %'s:

Pens/Wings (57.4%) Pens/CBJ (30.6%)
Boston/CBJ (41.0%) BOS/Wings(37.6)
MTL/TB (99.3%)
Cryers/NYR (77.8%)

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/East ... burgh.html

So I would think the Pens have a big incentive to beat the Wings this week if they want to meet the BJ's in the first round.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby no name on Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:31 am

Factorial wrote:Updated %'s:

Pens/Wings (57.4%) Pens/CBJ (30.6%)
Boston/CBJ (41.0%) BOS/Wings(37.6)
MTL/TB (99.3%)
Cryers/NYR (77.8%)

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/East ... burgh.html

So I would think the Pens have a big incentive to beat the Wings this week if they want to meet the BJ's in the first round.


Beating Det would help but in no way guarentees it. Actually i think us beating them gves you basicly 50/50 odds on most of thoes match ups.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:59 am

Factorial wrote:Updated %'s:

Pens/Wings (57.4%) Pens/CBJ (30.6%)
Boston/CBJ (41.0%) BOS/Wings(37.6)
MTL/TB (99.3%)
Cryers/NYR (77.8%)

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/East ... burgh.html

So I would think the Pens have a big incentive to beat the Wings this week if they want to meet the BJ's in the first round.


Definitely. Ultimately it's up to CBJ because they have a more difficult schedule remaining than Detroit.

Wings play the Sabres tonight and CBJ plays Phoenix. Phoenix if fighting for for that last spot in the West so they will be hungry.

Just need to hope that the Sabres look to be spoilers.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby DelPen on Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:25 am

MalkinIsMyHomeboy wrote:I still think it was a ridiculous decision to move Detroit to the Eastern conference.


Time Zones. It would ahve made more sense to have Columbus and Pittsburgh in a NE division and then Florida and Tampa in the Atlantic if only to not have a stupid division called the metropolitan.

In that you have your split rivalry groups:

Detroit, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
Boston, Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa

Washington, Carolina, Tamps, Florida
Philly, NYI, NYR, NJ

Washington is only 43 miles closer than Detroit, Columbus and Buffalo are closer. All three closer than Philly.

But I digress...
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby shmenguin on Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:47 am

i think the new divisional set up and playoff format is nothing less than a complete joke, but in a vacuum, it makes sense to move detroit to the east. it wasn't worth it, in practice, but it makes sense, conceptually.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:51 am

It will make more sense 5 years from now when the league has 32 teams.
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Re: Who would you rather play? Playoff Poll & Discussion

Postby shmenguin on Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:09 am

Idoit40fans wrote:It will make more sense 5 years from now when the league has 32 teams.


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