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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby murphydump55 on Tue May 13, 2014 1:34 pm

Tico Rick wrote:I don't feel sorry for Sid. Shero went out and got Iginla for Sid's line, but Sid didn't want him on his line. It was Sid, not DB, who made that decision. And that's probably why Iginla went out of his way to harass Sid earlier this year.


Oh you know this? You heard Sid, or Bylsma, or Shero say it?

Do you not think that if Sid had this much pull, that Shero would have went to him first to inform him that he'd be attempting to acquire Iginla and the opportunity of having him on his line? If Sid told Shero that he wants to keep Dupuis on his line, why then would Shero go get Iginla, knowing that Bylsma would play him on his off wing on a different line?
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby MRandall25 on Tue May 13, 2014 1:36 pm

How was Shero (or anyone, really) supposed to know Crosby was going to take a puck to the face in the first minute of Iginla's first game in a Penguins sweater?

Point is, we don't know what would have happened had Crosby not gotten hit and finished the regular season. By the time the playoffs rolled around, it was a little to late to start drastically moving lines around to accommodate a slow, aging veteran who wanted to be along for the ride.
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby shmenguin on Tue May 13, 2014 1:39 pm

MRandall25 wrote:By the time the playoffs rolled around, it was a little to late to start drastically moving lines around.


we put our entire forward lineup in a blender midway through the columbus series.
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby MRandall25 on Tue May 13, 2014 1:40 pm

Different circumstances, and at the very least, Crosby had spent time with the players on his line. He hadn't even played a full minute with Iginla while Iginla was in a Pens uniform, before the playoffs.
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby Crankshaft on Tue May 13, 2014 1:44 pm

If Crosby put his foot down and said he didn't want Iginla on his line, then that is Bylsma's fault for not putting a foot in Sid's ass and forcing the issue.

If Byslma didn't put Iginla on Sid's line because he was worried about changing up the lines in the playoffs, then he's a fool and should be at fault.

Regardless of what you believe, there is some level of fault on Byslma for not utilizing his players better. Even if they weren't great fits - and that fault falls on Shero.
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby shmenguin on Tue May 13, 2014 1:46 pm

MRandall25 wrote:Different circumstances, and at the very least, Crosby had spent time with the players on his line. He hadn't even played a full minute with Iginla while Iginla was in a Pens uniform.


we have sutter centering neal and jokinen and goc centering bennett and stempniak. that's about 50% of the game spent with brand new lines that have never played together. swapping 2 guys isn't anything compared to this year's overhaul.
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby shmenguin on Tue May 13, 2014 1:49 pm

Crankshaft wrote:If Crosby put his foot down and said he didn't want Iginla on his line, then that is Bylsma's fault for not putting a foot in Sid's ass and forcing the issue.

If Byslma didn't put Iginla on Sid's line because he was worried about changing up the lines in the playoffs, then he's a fool and should be at fault.

Regardless of what you believe, there is some level of fault on Byslma for not utilizing his players better. Even if they weren't great fits - and that fault falls on Shero.


iginla wasn't used correctly, but there was more going on with that dude other than playing on his off wing. he just wasn't engaged. it sucks to see him look like a different player for boston. his energy level is off the charts compared to last year. i don't know what the hell was the matter with him, but i imagine it's not easy adjusting to being a mercenary when your whole career has been spent in one spot. maybe he got used to it, or maybe he needed more than a handful of games to start giving a crap about the jersey he was wearing.
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby GDR on Tue May 13, 2014 1:54 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
GDR wrote:
relantel wrote:The key demarcation is not the trade deadline. It's Dupuis getting hurt.


Dupes had seven goals and 20 points in 39 games. Let's not live in fantasy land where he was tearing it up.


As rel touched on, it's not the scoring, but the play away from the puck for Dupuis. Also there's no guarantee Dupuis wouldn't have started scoring more. He had 7 points in the last 10 games he played (4G-3A)


I like Dupuis but his speed and puck retrieval and marginal point/goal-scoring production is not an irreplaceable skill. Megna has speed, Gibbons has speed, even Stempniak can dangle and retrieve pucks.
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby MRandall25 on Tue May 13, 2014 1:56 pm

GDR wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:
GDR wrote:
relantel wrote:The key demarcation is not the trade deadline. It's Dupuis getting hurt.


Dupes had seven goals and 20 points in 39 games. Let's not live in fantasy land where he was tearing it up.


As rel touched on, it's not the scoring, but the play away from the puck for Dupuis. Also there's no guarantee Dupuis wouldn't have started scoring more. He had 7 points in the last 10 games he played (4G-3A)


I like Dupuis but his speed and puck retrieval and marginal point/goal-scoring production is not an irreplaceable skill. Megna has speed, Gibbons has speed, even Stempniak can dangle and retrieve pucks.


Play away from the puck is not limited to speed and puck retrieval.
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby Luckybreak on Tue May 13, 2014 1:56 pm

MRandall25 wrote:Different circumstances, and at the very least, Crosby had spent time with the players on his line. He hadn't even played a full minute with Iginla while Iginla was in a Pens uniform, before the playoffs.


What is the difference in wearing a Penguins jersey or Canada jersey if the players are the same? Do the games played together at the Olympics not count?
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby MRandall25 on Tue May 13, 2014 1:58 pm

Not when it's a completely different coach, team, system, etc etc.

And one play doesn't suddenly mean they have chemistry. They weren't exactly lighting it up in Vancouver.
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby relantel on Tue May 13, 2014 2:02 pm

And now Madden is thinking Crosby will win it in overtime. Boy, pick a position already.
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby Luckybreak on Tue May 13, 2014 2:03 pm

shmenguin wrote:
Crankshaft wrote:If Crosby put his foot down and said he didn't want Iginla on his line, then that is Bylsma's fault for not putting a foot in Sid's ass and forcing the issue.

If Byslma didn't put Iginla on Sid's line because he was worried about changing up the lines in the playoffs, then he's a fool and should be at fault.

Regardless of what you believe, there is some level of fault on Byslma for not utilizing his players better. Even if they weren't great fits - and that fault falls on Shero.


iginla wasn't used correctly, but there was more going on with that dude other than playing on his off wing. he just wasn't engaged. it sucks to see him look like a different player for boston. his energy level is off the charts compared to last year. i don't know what the hell was the matter with him, but i imagine it's not easy adjusting to being a mercenary when your whole career has been spent in one spot. maybe he got used to it, or maybe he needed more than a handful of games to start giving a crap about the jersey he was wearing.


Could Iginla's apparent disengaged play not have something to do with the fact he was misused and playing out of position? The guy specifically agreed to the trade to Pittsburgh instead of Boston, sold his house and raved about the Penguins organisation. He was then played out of position and lambasted for being unable to keep up etc. I blame DB either way - forcing square pegs into round holes or letting Sid do what he wanted to the detriment of the team.
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby jwest21 on Tue May 13, 2014 2:21 pm

Mad City Mike wrote:
Rocco wrote:You know that things are going badly for the Pens when MCM becomes a more regular poster.


I need somewhere to hang out for tomorrow's bloodletting.

I suggest the Ranger's board. :D
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby Stick_licker on Tue May 13, 2014 2:21 pm

Crankshaft wrote:If Crosby put his foot down and said he didn't want Iginla on his line, then that is Bylsma's fault for not putting a foot in Sid's ass and forcing the issue.

If Byslma didn't put Iginla on Sid's line because he was worried about changing up the lines in the playoffs, then he's a fool and should be at fault.

Regardless of what you believe, there is some level of fault on Byslma for not utilizing his players better. Even if they weren't great fits - and that fault falls on Shero.


Seriously true. Iginla is a freaking Hall of Famer, is playing great hockey, had great chemistry with Sid in the Olympics (including the most clutch assist of the entire tournament), he led the Bruins (one of the best teams in hockey) in goals this year. How do you not put this guy on Sid's line???
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby Cedar Penn on Tue May 13, 2014 2:22 pm

jwest21 wrote:
Mad City Mike wrote:
Rocco wrote:You know that things are going badly for the Pens when MCM becomes a more regular poster.


I need somewhere to hang out for tomorrow's bloodletting.

I suggest the Ranger's board. :D


ouch!! :P
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby Jim on Tue May 13, 2014 2:24 pm

I didn't realize that NHL players were like rod/dome-hockey players where they have a post attached to their feet that forced them to only skate in a certain area... It is a shame that players can not move around and go to where they are effective. The NHL should look into removing those posts.

After all... if a coach is so obviously incompetent AND obviously lacking in willingness to discipline his players... I bet non-posted players would actually go against coaching to a point and do what they have been doing for the last 17 years and that has worked VERY well for them.

Dang posts in their feet!!!
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby Crankshaft on Tue May 13, 2014 2:31 pm

Jim wrote:I didn't realize that NHL players were like rod/dome-hockey players where they have a post attached to their feet that forced them to only skate in a certain area... It is a shame that players can not move around and go to where they are effective. The NHL should look into removing those posts.

After all... if a coach is so obviously incompetent AND obviously lacking in willingness to discipline his players... I bet non-posted players would actually go against coaching to a point and do what they have been doing for the last 17 years and that has worked VERY well for them.

Dang posts in their feet!!!


What are you talking about?
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby sil on Tue May 13, 2014 2:32 pm

Did it sound like this?

"Uhm jeh wamba, Sid's woes...oh-oh-oh.....oh-oh-oh..."

Spoiler:
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby Crankshaft on Tue May 13, 2014 2:35 pm

sil wrote:Did it sound like this?

"Uhm jeh wamba, Sid's woes...oh-oh-oh.....oh-oh-oh..."

Spoiler:
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HAHAHA A FAT JOKE. GOOD ONE.
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby MRandall25 on Tue May 13, 2014 2:37 pm

Calm down Mark Madden



Spoiler:
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby topshelf66 on Tue May 13, 2014 2:43 pm

I wonder what Mario thought or said when he and Sid were the only ones left in the locker room at MSG the other night.

Yes Sid, it is a lot of pressure having to win two series against bad teams.

Yes Sid, your GM has only supplied you with 3 hall of fame wings in the past 5 seasons and only one really worked out.

Yes it is a lot of pressure having to go home this summer to a country where you just won consecutive gold medals.

Yes it is pressure that people call you a crier and a brat.

Mario has real pressure.

Crap linemates for his first seven seasons.

Perform because / despite...

- The doors to the building have been chained for non-payment of taxes.
- The NHL is going to d oits best to nullify your talents by allowing an unreal level of clutching and grabbing.
- You are diagnosed with Cancer during the season.
- Your owner is going bankrupt and owes you tens of millions of dollars.
- Your wife gives birth to a son with difficulties at birth.
- You are going to have to leave the city where you built hockey because local politicians screwed you over on an arena deal.
- You had to take ownership of your team in lieu of owed salary, while you are still playing.
- You had to come back from 3-2 down to Buffalo in a couple of incredible games to break even.

I could go on.....

But seriously Sid, I hope you didnt embarrass yourself too bad telling Mario how hard you have it.

Sack Up !

Be a Captain !

Let's Go Pens.
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby sil on Tue May 13, 2014 2:45 pm

Crankshaft wrote:
sil wrote:Did it sound like this?

"Uhm jeh wamba, Sid's woes...oh-oh-oh.....oh-oh-oh..."

Spoiler:
Image


HAHAHA A FAT JOKE. GOOD ONE.


Yeah, fat, but both are also quite hideous to look at...both appear as if they smell really really bad...both are pretty barren in terms of their souls as well. It goes a bit further than just fat.
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby DelPen on Tue May 13, 2014 2:46 pm

Madden's theories seem very much like how Jagr was dying alive in 2001.
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Re: Madden Tries To Explain Sid's Woes

Postby RxBandit66 on Tue May 13, 2014 2:50 pm

With all due respect to the game's best player, Sid needs to shut up and play hockey. Stop beaking the officials constantly. Do the little things to help your team win. I did notice a dropoff and a boo boo face after Dupuis went down. I love Dupuis, but he is a career third liner. Not exactly irreplaceable. You win with whoever you have available. If Shero would have traded for Vanek, fans would be whining about how he can't play defense, yada yada. If Montreal and Pittsburgh square off in the Conf. Finals, we all will probably wish they would have got Vanek; especially with all they gave up for him.

Of the teams remaining, only Boston and Chicago would be superior to the Pens over a 7 game series, and perhaps not by as much as one would think.

And what if Boston goes out this round? The Pens could legitimately end up in the finals. Time to sack up.
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