Fleury's future

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should we keep Fleury as our starting goalie?

Yes
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82%
No
21
18%
 
Total votes : 119

Re: Fleury's future

Postby DropEmJayBird on Wed May 14, 2014 2:50 pm

Wow has this thread backfired given the vote totals.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby pensfan1989 on Wed May 14, 2014 3:37 pm

The Pens gave up 15 goals in 7 games....and lost the series.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby tfrizz on Wed May 14, 2014 3:41 pm

pensfan1989 wrote:The Pens gave up 15 goals in 7 games....and lost the series.


:thumb:

Fleury had a 2.02 GAA and .923 SV% in the series. That should've been more than enough for the Pens to win.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby Bathgate on Wed May 14, 2014 4:24 pm

What free-agent goalies are out there? If they can sign a good one for $2-3 million, buy Fleury out. They could gain $2-3 million or whatever in extra cap space. Fleury redeemed himself a little these playoffs, but he still had bad moments and wasn't good enough. He's not the goalie of the future. He's been part of the problem.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby Crankshaft on Wed May 14, 2014 5:01 pm

DropEmJayBird wrote:Wow has this thread backfired given the vote totals.


Going into the playoffs, it was 80%/20%...so he's actually gained support.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby Durbano on Wed May 14, 2014 5:05 pm

I voted no and am actually a big MAF fan. He's average, nothing more, and although he played well overall in the playoffs, he let in enough questionable goals that I wouldn't be sorry to see him go.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy on Wed May 14, 2014 5:07 pm

DropEmJayBird wrote:Wow has this thread backfired given the vote totals.


Yeah, it didn't work it.



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Re: Fleury's future

Postby MRandall25 on Wed May 14, 2014 5:08 pm

Durbano wrote:I voted no and am actually a big MAF fan. He's average, nothing more, and although he played well overall in the playoffs, he let in enough questionable goals that I wouldn't be sorry to see him go.


Lol. Every goalie lets in a questionable goal during a year/playoffs. Even Henrik Lundqvist.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby GSdrums87 on Wed May 14, 2014 5:15 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
Durbano wrote:I voted no and am actually a big MAF fan. He's average, nothing more, and although he played well overall in the playoffs, he let in enough questionable goals that I wouldn't be sorry to see him go.


Lol. Every goalie lets in a questionable goal during a year/playoffs. Even Henrik Lundqvist.

Posted two shutouts, but man THOSE QUESTIONABLE GOALS!!
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby pens9192 on Wed May 14, 2014 5:19 pm

tfrizz wrote:
pensfan1989 wrote:The Pens gave up 15 goals in 7 games....and lost the series.


:thumb:

Fleury had a 2.02 GAA and .923 SV% in the series. That should've been more than enough for the Pens to win.


Agreed. Can't get too much better than that. Where was the scoring? They were outscored 10-3 in Games 5-7. That's where they lost it. On paper, you would think the Pens could put up at least 3 or 4 goals a game easily. 87 & 71 could do that in a period themselves. Of course, that didn't happen. But yeah.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby wondermoose on Wed May 14, 2014 6:57 pm

I love Fleury, but he's a big part of the failures this team has endured since 2009. As good as he was, I think it's healthier for the team is just start fresh.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby columbia on Wed May 14, 2014 7:34 pm

The failures against Boston and NYR had nothing to do with goaltending.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby Froggy on Wed May 14, 2014 7:38 pm

Add Tampa to that list, too
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby Antonio on Wed May 14, 2014 8:28 pm

With a quality defensive system and players, Fleury would be just fine. He performed superbly this year overall and would be just fine. The guy put up a sub 2.00 GAA in 2009 over 24 playoff games. Its not like he is not capable. His mental issues aside, which he seemed to overcome this year, it is not surprise that he put up great numbers when we played great defense as a team, and his numbers tanked when the team as a whole was a mess in the playoffs. Fleury is the LAST problem with this team right now.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby The Penitent on Wed May 14, 2014 8:36 pm

First post, but don't dismiss me just because of that (give me at least 10 posts before you start railing at me!). I think this question is a very tough call, and I'm a bit so surprised that so many think Fleury's playoff performance this year makes this a ridiculous question. Pros and cons each way, as I see it

Pros

- Fleury is well above average when the save requires reflex-type quickness and athleticism
- He was extremely good during the regular season, and has been for several years
- Outstanding in regular season shootouts
- He did improve SOME in this year's playoffs
- He doesn't seem at all to be a prima donna, and from all appearances is a great team player
- He was by no means a major problem against the Rangers - there were far, far greater issues
- He is hamstrung by an often horrible defensive team

Cons
- He is perhaps the worst stick-handling goaltender I've ever seen, regular season or playoffs
- The CBJ Game 4 gaffes/softies, though just one game, can't be minimized. In most cities, the goaltender would have been run out of town for just that
- Overall still a bad playoff track record - fair or not, the 2009 cup year loses a little more luster each year
- He might steal one playoff game for you, but he in no way, shape or form is going to steal a playoff series for you
- Maybe too relaxed/calm of a demeanor - may not have the resolve/grit to win an overtime game in the playoffs (record speaks for itself)

I can see the argument that the free agent goalie crop is pedestrian this year (although, isn't Marty Brodeur a free agent... :?: All things considered, including his contract, I lean toward keeping, but if you can get a broader trade for a forward in place with an average to slightly above average goalie coming back, I say, make the deal
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby count2infinity on Wed May 14, 2014 8:38 pm

For those that voted no, go ahead and tell me what free agent out there (this year or next year when Fleury becomes a FA) would you play over him?

This year:

Ryan Miller
Martin Brodeur
Jonas Hiller
Tim Thomas
Jaroslav Halak
Devan Dubnyk
Evgeni Nabokov
Ilya Bryzgalov
Brian Elliott
Ray Emory

really none of these match what we have in Fleury as far as talent and experience are concerned and aren't really really old. Next year when Fleury is a free agent, other free agents are:

Cory Schneider
Antti Niemi
Craig Anderson
Viktor Fasth
Ben Bishop
Josh Harding
Jhonas Enroth

I would say that there are some here that I wouldn't mind having including Bishop or Enroth, but I don't know. Anyone have any favorites from either list?
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby slappybrown on Wed May 14, 2014 8:55 pm

Schneider and Bishop, but neither will hit FA.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy on Wed May 14, 2014 8:56 pm

Id take Miller, Hiller and Halak from this year's FAs (though Miller wont be worth the money he'll get). Hell, I'd prefer we resign Vokoun and start him with Fleury as a back up. I trust him more.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby Froggy on Wed May 14, 2014 8:59 pm

I think it's worth mentioning that the only reason Fleury cost us that one Columbus game is that he was the only thing keeping us in it up to that point.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy on Wed May 14, 2014 9:01 pm

The Penitent wrote:First post, but don't dismiss me just because of that (give me at least 10 posts before you start railing at me!).


Your opinion is terrible and I hate your face
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby count2infinity on Wed May 14, 2014 9:02 pm

I'm not sold on Miller for the price tag he'll likely get. Hiller isn't even starting while his team is still in the playoffs (sound familiar?). Halak always seems either on or off... just not consistent, again, just like Fleury. I don't think any of those three are necessarily better than Fleury, and we're certainly not going to be able to sign them to a low enough price to keep them and Fleury.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby slappybrown on Wed May 14, 2014 9:25 pm

MalkinIsMyHomeboy wrote:Id take Miller, Hiller and Halak from this year's FAs (though Miller wont be worth the money he'll get). Hell, I'd prefer we resign Vokoun and start him with Fleury as a back up. I trust him more.


None of those are better options.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby sil on Wed May 14, 2014 9:35 pm

Let's see MAF in a system with some coherence of real defensive strategy oh wait, we did in 2007-2009.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby Maestro on Wed May 14, 2014 9:43 pm

Fleury is awful. Look at the #s.
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Re: Fleury's future

Postby ulf on Wed May 14, 2014 9:46 pm

Maestro wrote:Fleury is awful. Look at the #s.

Oh okay
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