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Is this a silver lining?

Postby Scott on Wed May 14, 2014 12:50 am

Could this finally be the silver lining that many fan have seen for a long time?

Bylsma needs to go. Hopefully this is the end. I can't possibly imagine how they can keep him. I don't think they are serving the fans with the best effort in getting the best product on the ice if he stays. Just as any business goes when something is not working changes need to happen otherwise customers take a walk.
James Neal--I've said ever since getting him that he is a terrible fit on this team. Personally I feel it is a combo of him being lazy and too slow. That penalty he took in the offensive zone is James Neal signature extraordinaire. Be out of position because you are too lazy or slow, then grab with the free hand. Sure he can pick a corner on the net at times but especially in the playoffs when every team dials the speed up a bit he hurts more than helps.

Sutter has played better. He is getting a little more identity now but still a long way to go. Progressing though.

Gibbons impressed me when he is not hurt. His speed is tough to play against. I would like to see him have some more time with Crosby.

I love what the future looks like on the blue line. Maatta is a nice surprise. Gripping the stick a bit tonight because of the pressure but all things considered he far exceeded expectations for his age. Bortuzzo has a nice upside too. Letang looked better and cleaned some things up as the playoffs went along. Niskanen does not help more than he hurts. He needs to be addressed in this. He alone was responsible for the first goal of the game. It's not just that. IMO he is not a very good player. I don't care how many points he had this year. He has no size. That would be ok if he skated great, which he doesn't.

It will be interesting to see what happens as the salary cap era makes it difficult to just rid dead weight.

Start with Bylsma and go from there.

I can only hope.
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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby relantel on Wed May 14, 2014 1:02 am

No.

they'd be dumb to fire Bylsma. He'd be hired elsewhere in a heartbeat.
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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby DesertPenguin on Wed May 14, 2014 3:19 am

Neal's talent is his wrist shot. Without it he is an average 3rd liner. He was at his best when he was playing with Kunitz, a puck retriever to forcheck and gain possession, and Malkin, an elite puck possessor, passer and all around defenseman magnet. These two did all the work on the line and allowed nealer to find soft spots to set up and shoot from. Jussi Jokinen contributed big time, especially in the playoffs, but he is mis cast with Malkin and Neal if you want Neal to be effective. Go get Kulemin for Geno's LW and That line will dominate. If Jussi returns, play him with Sid or play him on the 3rd line.
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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby bdevido on Wed May 14, 2014 3:42 am

many coaches in any sport if fired, would be hired instantly. bylsma is clearly not the right coach for this team and i said that after last season. if they keep him on it will be more of the same. the team is weak, undisciplined, sloppy, and obviously play with zero passion.
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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby DesertPenguin on Wed May 14, 2014 3:45 am

The buzz right now is that both Bylsma AND Shero are on the chopping block. Dan needs to go but I'd like to see Ray retained. His biggest fault has been sticking by Bylsma too long, and that we can correct. He's great on contract negotiation, great on trade negotiation, and good enough in the draft.
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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby bdevido on Wed May 14, 2014 3:45 am

and desert penguin: after this series, perhaps they should pair sid with jussi instead of the other way around. crosby should be embarrassed and ashamed of himself.
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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby IanMoran on Wed May 14, 2014 4:07 am

relantel wrote:No.

they'd be dumb to fire Bylsma. He'd be hired elsewhere in a heartbeat.

Hockey is a weird sport. I feel like after Edzo the Pens NEEDED a coach like Therrien, but then eventually he needed to go and the pens NEEDED a coach like DB. Db now needs to be replaced... but i don't think he's a terrible coach, just not the best fit right now
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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby Scott on Wed May 14, 2014 4:47 am

DesertPenguin wrote:The buzz right now is that both Bylsma AND Shero are on the chopping block. Dan needs to go but I'd like to see Ray retained. His biggest fault has been sticking by Bylsma too long, and that we can correct. He's great on contract negotiation, great on trade negotiation, and good enough in the draft.


I echo again that I believe 10000 percent Bylsma was kept on...no no let me say that a different way..he was extended to make it easier to sign Malkin and Letang. They like the guy. He is not much older than most of the players.

I also believed that anything short of a deep stanley cup final series would be the end for bylsma. If he had gotten to the final and lost in 6 or 7 games it might have bought him another year. But a finals sweep and of course anything less will get him fired. We shall see what happens here but this team needs some major work and probably 50 percent or greater it needs mental work. The inconsistent passion and energy, self entitlement attitudes are a recipe for failure. This team needs a coach that has no fear of kicking these guys in the ass. Giving them a chewing out regardless of the damn number on the sweater.

BE A COACH FIRST AND A NICE GUY SECOND!!!!! Something Bylsma refused to do...unless you were a rookie or a journeyman. He had no problem sticking his chest out to Despres but Letang, Crosby, Malkin can do whatever they want no matter the impact on the team. Coach? No. More like trying to be friend. :thumbdown:
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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby Cedar Penn on Wed May 14, 2014 5:20 am

Well, it's the next morning and Bylsma hasn't been canned yet :?

But, I'm a patient man. I'll just wait...

R.I.P. The 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Penguins :cry:

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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby Jim on Wed May 14, 2014 6:58 am

It is a silver lining if TWO of the teams top players get moved this summer. Something that sends the message that the band is NOT getting back together, the free ride is over, you will be help accountable. If all they do is flip the coach, then no... that will just show that the ownership/management is fine with regular season success.
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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby Wyopen on Wed May 14, 2014 7:17 am

relantel wrote:No.

they'd be dumb to fire Bylsma. He'd be hired elsewhere in a heartbeat.


I hope you're being sarcastic. At least 75% of fired coaches find other HC jobs. To hold on to him just because...is ridiculous.
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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby no name on Wed May 14, 2014 7:54 am

Bylsma is just the wrong fit for this club, he sould be coaching a hard working team he seems to get the most out of the Pens when our stars were injured. We need a guy who the players instantly respect and know where they stand.

Neal, i don't know... great chemistry with Geno a power play specialist. Guy just does stupid things all the time. Hard to let a 40 goal scorer walk away, i will leave this for Ray to decide.

Barry Trotz??? Maybe a nice fit.
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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby Gaucho on Wed May 14, 2014 7:56 am

Get some hard working players then.
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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby Malkamaniac on Wed May 14, 2014 7:59 am

Wyopen wrote:
relantel wrote:No.

they'd be dumb to fire Bylsma. He'd be hired elsewhere in a heartbeat.


I hope you're being sarcastic. At least 75% of fired coaches find other HC jobs. To hold on to him just because...is ridiculous.


His voice and system hit an expiration date. It happens, it's hockey.
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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby Crankshaft on Wed May 14, 2014 9:33 am

Gaucho wrote:Get some hard working players then.


I think what he means by "hard working" is "not as talented".

Bylsma will gets scrubs like Brian Gibbons to run through walls, but he can't effectively coach a Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, James Neal, etc.
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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby columbia on Wed May 14, 2014 9:34 am

Maybe they can pay him to coach in WBS. :pop:
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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby Pitt87 on Wed May 14, 2014 9:59 am

My silver lining... really hoping we go through a rebuilding year so I can get season tickets.

That is the only silver lining, however. Losing sucks. Heads need to roll. Hoping we have the stones to do it.
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Re: Is this a silver lining?

Postby mac5155 on Wed May 14, 2014 10:03 am

The more I think about it, the more I say keep Bylsma for one more year. The team needs an overhaul. See where we're at next year when Mike Babcock's contract expires, and offer him the job.
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