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Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby scpensfan on Wed May 14, 2014 1:38 pm

http://triblive.com/sports/penguins/610 ... z31iEj43ZI

Players were unhappy with Bylsma's numerous meetings and long practices and the decreasing sense of fun within the Penguins' daily environment, the sources said. Crosby and Malkin also grew disenchanted with perceived harsh criticism they received from Bylsma during meetings, the sources said.


I don't even know what to say. Maybe one of their grandmothers can be the next coach.

/sorry for yet another bylsma post
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby Avyran on Wed May 14, 2014 1:40 pm

Crosby is not having his finest hour this postseason.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby DelPen on Wed May 14, 2014 1:41 pm

Let's get some context. If he was scheduling meetings and practices that served no point and was nitpicking them for stupid reasons then by all means, I'd be unhappy too.

Apply that to your job, I hate long and pointless meetings that serve no purpose and it makes my day anguish.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby Chirpin' Grinder on Wed May 14, 2014 1:41 pm

Can this possibly be serious????

Ownership favored firing Bylsma as of Wednesday, the sources said.

Ownership believed Bylsma lost the dressing room this season, specifically the support of franchise centers Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin, the sources said.

Players were unhappy with Bylsma's numerous meetings and long practices and the decreasing sense of fun within the Penguins' daily environment, the sources said.

Crosby and Malkin also grew disenchanted with perceived harsh criticism they received from Bylsma during meetings, the sources said.

Also, the sources said, ownership was concerned about the Crosby's body language during the playoffs.

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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby Chirpin' Grinder on Wed May 14, 2014 1:42 pm

Rossi is on Triblive Radio right now with Steigerwald discussing this.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby PghSkins on Wed May 14, 2014 1:42 pm

Herbie would have killed these guys.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy on Wed May 14, 2014 1:44 pm

keep Bylsma, trade Crosby and Malkin?










But seriously, maybe Malkin has a leg to stand on (14 points and +6) but Crosby was so god awful this postseason. Everybody and their mother should be yelling at him.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby GDR on Wed May 14, 2014 1:47 pm

This is pretty galling if 100% accurate. All indications are Bylsma is the biggest player's coach in the league, and they think he's too hard on them? Wow.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby llipgh2 on Wed May 14, 2014 1:48 pm

I take everything Rossi says with a grain of salt, just like I do Madden.

As DelPen said, the players could have felt he was wasting their time. Long practices and meetings are useless if they have no point. He may have just been holding the meetings and practices to show he could be a "tough guy". Yeah, that worked out well.

And given that DB has been outcoached in the last few playoffs, maybe he didn't like the suggestions players were making and ignored them. Which would also cause friction.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby slappybrown on Wed May 14, 2014 1:51 pm

LGP demands Pens hire a disciplinarian who will criticize team and demand more from stars

*Bylsma's revealed to be a harsh critic of stars in recent times*

SURELY THE CRITICISM WAS ADMINISTERED IMPROPERLY

Byslma needs to go for a host of reasons, but the whole rah-rah bull **** isn't it.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby Lt. Dish on Wed May 14, 2014 1:53 pm

scpensfan wrote:http://triblive.com/sports/penguins/6101755-74/sources-bylsma-shero#axzz31iEj43ZI

Players were unhappy with Bylsma's numerous meetings and long practices and the decreasing sense of fun within the Penguins' daily environment, the sources said. Crosby and Malkin also grew disenchanted with perceived harsh criticism they received from Bylsma during meetings, the sources said.


I don't even know what to say. Maybe one of their grandmothers can be the next coach.

/sorry for yet another bylsma post


I thought they never practiced? 8-)

Well, if DB's personality radically changed then that can be a problem. If the players got the sense that he was more worried about his job than the team, then yes, that can be a problem. If the team felt that all of the "tough guy" stuff was for naught--and misplaced effort, since real issues wouldn't be addressed, then that would be a problem.

No one's saying that the players needed to be coddled. I'm not. But it might not be as simple as DB tried to end the country club and the players revolted because they didn't want discipline or accountabilty. If he acted one way for 4 years, appeared to have faith in them, and then the team sensed that he turned on them and tuned them out...

Whether or not it's justified, the team could react negatively, and we know what can happen when the players no longer want to play for someone.

If this report is true, and, really, who knows what is at this point, then I'd say that DB could end the country club and institute accountability while being consistent in his nature. Good managers can do this.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby npv708 on Wed May 14, 2014 1:53 pm

They were probably practicing shootouts throughout the playoffs...
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby the riddler on Wed May 14, 2014 1:53 pm

This is becoming about as much of a mess as I figured it would be.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby llipgh2 on Wed May 14, 2014 1:55 pm

slappybrown wrote:LGP demands Pens hire a disciplinarian who will criticize team and demand more from stars

*Bylsma's revealed to be a harsh critic of stars in recent times*

SURELY THE CRITICISM WAS ADMINISTERED IMPROPERLY

Byslma needs to go for a host of reasons, but the whole rah-rah bull **** isn't it.


It came too late. He had already established himself as nice guy. Players saw through it and totally tuned him out.

Shame on them, but seriously, what did he expect? He coddled them for so long when he tried to get tough it was a joke to the players.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby Lt. Dish on Wed May 14, 2014 1:56 pm

the riddler wrote:This is becoming about as much of a mess as I figured it would be.


Oh, it's gonna get messier. Fall out like this usually is.

Get yer hip waders and flak jacket on, because there's gonna be lots of crap flinging around.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby mikey287 on Wed May 14, 2014 1:57 pm

the riddler wrote:This is becoming about as much of a mess as I figured it would be.


I also am beginning to become concerned.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby headh on Wed May 14, 2014 1:57 pm

It was clear that the team quit on the coach. I thought they quit on him for any one of a dozen reasons. If you gave me til the beginning of next season I would have never guessed that he was too harsh....never

Sidney Crosby is earning the criticism that the Flyer fans have hung on him. He's a little baby
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby llipgh2 on Wed May 14, 2014 1:57 pm

Lt. Dish and I practially wrote the same thing about the abrupt DB change.

Great minds...
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby Kaizer on Wed May 14, 2014 1:58 pm

Lt. Dish wrote:
the riddler wrote:This is becoming about as much of a mess as I figured it would be.


Oh, it's gonna get messier. Fall out like this usually is.

Get yer hip waders and flak jacket on, because there's gonna be lots of crap flinging around.


Messier huh? Think he'd be interested?
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby columbia on Wed May 14, 2014 1:59 pm

IF this is actually true, then I don't know what to say.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby llipgh2 on Wed May 14, 2014 2:00 pm

columbia wrote:IF this is actually true, then I don't know what to say.


The thing with Rossi is some of it is probably true, some of it embellished by him. Trouble is, can't tell which is which.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby penny lane on Wed May 14, 2014 2:00 pm

Lt. Dish wrote:
the riddler wrote:This is becoming about as much of a mess as I figured it would be.


Oh, it's gonna get messier. Fall out like this usually is.

Get yer hip waders and flak jacket on, because there's gonna be lots of crap flinging around.

:lol:

No one get out of this clean.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby slappybrown on Wed May 14, 2014 2:00 pm

llipgh2 wrote:
slappybrown wrote:LGP demands Pens hire a disciplinarian who will criticize team and demand more from stars

*Bylsma's revealed to be a harsh critic of stars in recent times*

SURELY THE CRITICISM WAS ADMINISTERED IMPROPERLY

Byslma needs to go for a host of reasons, but the whole rah-rah bull **** isn't it.


It came too late. He had already established himself as nice guy. Players saw through it and totally tuned him out.

Shame on them, but seriously, what did he expect? He coddled them for so long when he tried to get tough it was a joke to the players.


How do you know they were "coddled"?

My real point here is that coaches like Keenan and Therrien have very short shelf-lifes. You can't coach that way anymore. Crosby and Malkin have way more job security, make more money, and are sigificantly more important than any coach we hire. Demanding the return of a Kevin Constantine-type and the like is dumb (I don't know if that is what you want by the way, just saying generally). You need a respected, serious coach, who will ice the best team sans the tomato cans that Bylsma put out there to waste space, but "tough guy" is not a prerequisite IMO.
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby shafnutz05 on Wed May 14, 2014 2:01 pm

I've lost a wealth of respect for Crosby
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Re: Oh. My. God. Bylsma was too hard on them?

Postby Tico Rick on Wed May 14, 2014 2:01 pm

llipgh2 wrote:
slappybrown wrote:LGP demands Pens hire a disciplinarian who will criticize team and demand more from stars

*Bylsma's revealed to be a harsh critic of stars in recent times*

SURELY THE CRITICISM WAS ADMINISTERED IMPROPERLY

Byslma needs to go for a host of reasons, but the whole rah-rah bull **** isn't it.


It came too late. He had already established himself as nice guy. Players saw through it and totally tuned him out.

Shame on them, but seriously, what did he expect? He coddled them for so long when he tried to get tough it was a joke to the players.

This. The 1st Rule of Teaching: Don't Smile Until December. It doesn't work the other way around.
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