Theories re Bylsma being retained

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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby npv708 on Mon May 26, 2014 7:20 pm

So the Pens claimed they wanted to give the new GM all the freedom in the world to make the best decision about a coach, which is why they claimed to hold onto Disco, but how can that have any veracity when arguably the best coaching candidate is now off the table with Trotz going to the Capitals?

In other words, its great that they want to give the GM options for coaches, but names coming off the candidate list while the Pens twiddle thumbs is just hurting anyone who looks to take the job, not to mention, makes it more likely that Disco remains coach another year.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby Tico Rick on Mon May 26, 2014 7:45 pm

Or you could look at it as now being easier to fire Bylsma, as he is no longer at risk of going to the Capitals. I wasn't particularly on the Trotz bandwagon, and when Shero was fired it became much less likely that the Pens would pursue him.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby Malkamaniac on Mon May 26, 2014 7:49 pm

So they can fire Bylsma right? Washington is figured out.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby mikey287 on Mon May 26, 2014 8:10 pm

There is no chance they didn't fire Bylsma just so he couldn't go to Washington or anywhere else for that matter...if that's being proposed, that's really a pinnacle of ridiculousness...
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby offsides on Mon May 26, 2014 8:59 pm

mikey287 wrote:There is no chance they didn't fire Bylsma just so he couldn't go to Washington or anywhere else for that matter...if that's being proposed, that's really a pinnacle of ridiculousness...


I agree, but I still can't figure out why he is still here. Is it just to give the new GM a choice?
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby Grunthy on Mon May 26, 2014 9:08 pm

yes. it is really that simple.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby offsides on Mon May 26, 2014 10:00 pm

Grunthy wrote:yes. it is really that simple.

Well then, I sure hope we hire a GM with another coach in mind.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby columbia on Mon May 26, 2014 10:01 pm

It's not a problem, it's just an unnecessary distraction.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby KG on Mon May 26, 2014 10:04 pm

Maybe they plan on keeping Bylsma for one more year, then fire him and replace him with Babcock who will be a free agent after this year?

Probably far fetched, but if the Pens identify Babcock as their #1 guy, it's silly to bring in someone else on a 3 year contract. Maybe they let DB ride it out and bring in Babs after this year??? sure i'm thinking too much...
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby DayWalker on Mon May 26, 2014 10:10 pm

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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby no name on Mon May 26, 2014 10:11 pm

KG wrote:Maybe they plan on keeping Bylsma for one more year, then fire him and replace him with Babcock who will be a free agent after this year?

Probably far fetched, but if the Pens identify Babcock as their #1 guy, it's silly to bring in someone else on a 3 year contract. Maybe they let DB ride it out and bring in Babs after this year??? sure i'm thinking too much...


I really like your thinking KG and if this were the case it defiently would give me faith in Pens ownership that they had a solid plan befor they fired Shero. Honestly from what i read here and there, Babcock doen't want to leave Detroit and the Pens ownership isn't smart enough to go forth on this.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby Gaucho on Tue May 27, 2014 6:32 am

Firing the GM while retaining the head coach he hand-picked simply makes no sense. The more time passes, the less I like the look of things.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby shafnutz05 on Tue May 27, 2014 7:21 am

A week or so ago, the idea that they would retain Bylsma seemed completely preposterous
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby mikey287 on Tue May 27, 2014 7:23 am

Yeah, it does seem preposterous. But this is the ownership group's call, even if it's begrudgingly for some, that the GM of the team is an autonomous person without restriction...so the new GM will make the call on the coach and all other hockey ops decisions...that's the organizational m.o.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby Tico Rick on Tue May 27, 2014 7:27 am

Keeping Bylsma now so that they can fire him and bring in Hynes mid-season, just to let him go at the end of the year to hire Babcock, is totally ridiculous. 1. It would waste another of the prime years of the two-headed monster (unless, of course, either DB or Hynes wins the Stanley Cup, in which case, why fire them? 2. It would be pretty disrespectful to both Bylsma and Hynes, knowing that they were just in place until Babcock became available. 3. It assumes that Babcock would actually want to leave Detroit, which does not seem to be the case.

Bring in a new coach early so that he has time to build his own coaching staff, evaluate the players, and develop a solid plan to implement his system during training camp. Then win the Cup.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby owtahear on Tue May 27, 2014 7:54 am

slappybrown wrote:How is "we prefer that the new GM make the final decisions on hockey matters, such as who the head coach is" not a rational explanation?


Usually....when you fire a GM, you are starting fresh from a management perspective. That means, the coach and staff are usually gone. Let the new guy come in decide on a new coach and staff, instead of having to go through the charade of "evaluating" the existing coach.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby owtahear on Tue May 27, 2014 8:01 am

How about this. Fire Bylsma. Hire Torterella. Let Torts put in his defense first at all costs system. Have the team struggle miserably. Fire Torts in February and promote Hynes. Then Hynes brings in his more aggressive puck possession system with the players having the tenants of Tort's defensive system still fresh in their minds. The players play responsible, but fast having what seems like chains broken off of them. They go on to win another cup.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby littlemoonboot on Tue May 27, 2014 8:13 am

Factorial wrote:
littlemoonboot wrote:Ha. I think the Pens need change but the fallout will be very interesting to watch if they do keep him.


Think there will be riots in the streets? :) Whatever decision is made, hopefully it's not solely done to appease the fans.


Hmmm, hockey riots! I'd be in the front row.........with popcorn. :D

Fans would be pissed but I'm interested in seeing what would happen in general. Not just fans but media as well. And particularly the players, especially Crosby. Naturally the players would probably put on a brave face but the season could get interesting.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby no name on Tue May 27, 2014 8:56 am

I am suprsied Jacques Martin or Granto names havn't being thrown around more for the coaching job. Although I think the players need a new face, one they would respect from the first meeting.

Babcock i would love to see in Pittsburgh, never will happen. THough it is said Babcock would want more say in personall positions like a built in Coach\GM position. Maybe you slide in Botteril for now and if the million to 1 shot of getting Babcock comes around you get him.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby skullman80 on Tue May 27, 2014 9:24 am

If Bylsma is back my excitement for next season is almost nil. It would probably be the first time in a LONG time I wouldn't even try to watch every game.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby llipgh2 on Tue May 27, 2014 9:29 am

skullman80 wrote:If Bylsma is back my excitement for next season is almost nil. It would probably be the first time in a LONG time I wouldn't even try to watch every game.


If he is retained, while I will keep my season tickets, I will sell the majority of them. Until he is fired.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby Kovy27 on Tue May 27, 2014 9:43 am

llipgh2 wrote:
skullman80 wrote:If Bylsma is back my excitement for next season is almost nil. It would probably be the first time in a LONG time I wouldn't even try to watch every game.


If he is retained, while I will keep my season tickets, I will sell the majority of them. Until he is fired.


I agree with this.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby Mr. Colby on Tue May 27, 2014 9:56 am

Youll have trouble finding buyers unless you sell less than face
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby llipgh2 on Tue May 27, 2014 10:19 am

Mr. Colby wrote:Youll have trouble finding buyers unless you sell less than face


I sell at my season ticket price, which is below face. And I have a core group of people I sell to.
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Re: Theories re Bylsma being retained

Postby littlemoonboot on Tue May 27, 2014 10:48 am

skullman80 wrote:If Bylsma is back my excitement for next season is almost nil. It would probably be the first time in a LONG time I wouldn't even try to watch every game.


Sadly this was how I felt last year. Now it's like, even moreso...amazing that's possible.

That's not the sentiment of a "bandwagon fan who isn't there for teh hard timez" -- because times aren't hard. Talent is just being wasted. And that is the most frustrating of all.
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