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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby Chirpin' Grinder on Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:15 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:O'Reilly could very well end up costing more than Martin. I'm not sure that works. Why would you want to bring someone in that is this much of a PITA to work with?

EDIT: Oh thats a dump of Martin and Sutter. Wow...overpaying for someone that operates that way. Bizarre.


Sutter($3.5-$4m) and Martin($5m) for O'Reilly($6.5m??) is a fascinating proposition. Looking at it strictly in terms of this season, the Pens could potentially save enough in the deal to add Winnik or Stempniak or perhaps Raphael Diaz to ease the sting of losing Martin.

Looking to next year, of the three, O'Reilly would be the one in which I would be the most eager to invest. Would $6.5m per on a max term be enough to get him to signed up to be Penguin through his prime?

It would make them more top heavy, which I loathe. But O'Reilly might be worth it.

As for Colorado, I read a quote from Roy that he was looking at Brad Stuart for his top pairing with Erik Johnson. Aside from the incessant haggling between the club and O'Reilly, hard to imagine a better reason Sakic would pull the trigger here...
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby PhantomJB93 on Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:39 pm

O'Reilly may cost as much or more than Martin, sure. But it shouldn't be about Martin vs. O'Reilly's contracts in a vacuum. We can afford to pay a forward that much because we have so little forward depth and no other options. We can't afford to pay another defenseman that with all the promising defensemen prospects we have ready to play on ELCs.
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby DelPen on Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:22 am

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Patric Hornqvist ($4.250m)
Blake Comeau ($0.700m) / Marcel Goc ($1.200m) / Steve Downie ($1.000m)
Adam Payerl ($0.627m) / Craig Adams ($0.700m) / Jayson Megna ($0.874m)
Zach Sill ($0.550m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($7.250m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Rob Scuderi ($3.375m)
Simon Despres ($0.900m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Thomas Greiss ($1.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,619,958; BONUSES: $240,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,380,042


Effective cap space by dropping Sill and Payerl is $5.56 million. Spaling around $2 million and Sutter around $3.5 (thinking hopedully highest end possible) will eat it all up. Megna may be sent to WBS regardless of camp, unless Bennett starts on LTIR, because he's just barely more expensive than Payerl, Sill and probably Samuelsson where we could cary 12 forwards and 8 defensemen due to waiver stuff, again depending on LTIR.
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:41 am

DelPen wrote:CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Patric Hornqvist ($4.250m)
Blake Comeau ($0.700m) / Marcel Goc ($1.200m) / Steve Downie ($1.000m)
Adam Payerl ($0.627m) / Craig Adams ($0.700m) / Jayson Megna ($0.874m)
Zach Sill ($0.550m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($7.250m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Rob Scuderi ($3.375m)
Simon Despres ($0.900m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Thomas Greiss ($1.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,619,958; BONUSES: $240,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,380,042


Effective cap space by dropping Sill and Payerl is $5.56 million. Spaling around $2 million and Sutter around $3.5 (thinking hopedully highest end possible) will eat it all up. Megna may be sent to WBS regardless of camp, unless Bennett starts on LTIR, because he's just barely more expensive than Payerl, Sill and probably Samuelsson where we could cary 12 forwards and 8 defensemen due to waiver stuff, again depending on LTIR.


Wasn't Samuelsson re-signed as well?
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:45 am

Dupuis showed signs of slowing down prior to his knee surgery. I am pessamistic to say the least about penciling him in on the top line.
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby DelPen on Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:00 pm

Hugo Stiglitz wrote:Wasn't Samuelsson re-signed as well?


He was but I didn't carry 8 defense in this scenario, just 13-7-2 which is usually what we saw under Shero.

But I expect some crafty moves to get maximum LTIR with Maatta and probably Poulliot too and maybe Bennett and Dupuis if they aren't ready.
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby pcm on Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:00 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:Dupuis showed signs of slowing down prior to his knee surgery. I am pessamistic to say the least about penciling him in on the top line.


I've got Downie penciled into the top 6 ahead of both Dupuis and Bennett. I think Dupuis wins the other spot because he's the most likely to switch to LW. But I agree, I think he's targeted for 3rd line duty at this point.
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby no name on Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:21 pm

I like having Downie on the 3rd line getitng spot duty with Sid when he is needed to "do his thing".

They say Duper has a insane offseason program which is how he stays inshape and fast. But i wonder if he can maintain it after a surgery like he had. I also wonder if its Sids call who is on his wings. Madden made it sound like it was his call.
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby SubtropicalPenguin on Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:40 pm

I was just running the numbers, and it looks like if the Pens get Sutter and Spaling at a combined $5.5 million or less they will have enough space to utilize whomever they wish from the AHL to fill in the remaining roster spots. I include Kapanen in the example below because he has the highest base salary of anyone in the system at forward. Additionally, even assuming Maatta is LTIR to start the season, there are no defensemen in the system who have a higher base salary, so anyone could be called up without a cap issue (assuming Bortuzzo at a cap-friendly 600k, is on the roster). So, if we can get Sutter and Spaling at a combined $5.5 million, we would have a massive $5,833 of cap space if the most expensive players in the system are used to fill out a 22 person roster.

If they spend more than $5.5 on Sutter and Spaling, expect to see the extra forward be someone like Sill (550,000) or Payerl (626,667) rather than Megna (874,125) or Kapenen (925,000). As for defense, I would assume Bortuzzo is likely to stay on the roster to save a couple hundred thousand and then let Despres (900,000), Pouliot (863,333), Samulesson (550,000), Harrington (589,167) battle it out for the last roster spot on defense. Smart money is on Despres here, I assume.

Talk about being on a razor's edge. The Pens need to be very careful with the Sutter and Spaling contracts.

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Patric Hornqvist ($4.250m)
Nick Spaling($2.000m)/ Brandon Sutter ($3.500m) / Steve Downie ($1.000m)
Blake Comeau ($0.700m) / Marcel Goc ($1.200m) / Craig Adams ($0.700m)
Kasperi Kapanen ($0.925m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($7.250m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Rob Scuderi ($3.375m)
Simon Despres ($0.900m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Thomas Greiss ($1.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,994,167; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $5,833
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby Beveridge on Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:47 pm

I look at this way, for defense anyhow.

Letang, Martin, Ehrhoff, Scuds just set to the side because they will be on the team.

Maatta won't be ready at the start.

Bort Despres Samuelsson all have to clear waviers

Dumoulin, Harrington, Pouliot all are ok.

I'm going to guess that unless Dumoulin or Harrington or someone I haven't named earn their spot, the top 7 are set (+ maatta). Bort or Samuelsson would be odd man out when Maatta got back. Unless Despres proves old staff right, he should be a lock because he won't clear waivers in a million years (I doubt the other 2 would either).
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby SubtropicalPenguin on Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:10 pm

Would Samuelsson need to clear waivers to start the season, or would that only apply if he is called-up or sent-down at some point during the season?
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby Pens4Life on Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:15 pm

Let GMJR sign Spaling to two year 3.6M deal,1.8M per and Sutter for 3.375M per for 2 years with this season 3M,next 3.75M!?

Cap space approx. will be 0.6M..
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby mikey287 on Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:42 pm

SubtropicalPenguin wrote:Would Samuelsson need to clear waivers to start the season, or would that only apply if he is called-up or sent-down at some point during the season?


If he is sent down at any point, waivers are required.
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby SubtropicalPenguin on Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:31 pm

I'd hate for the Pens to lose him for nothing. What are the odds he would clear waivers? I'm sure Despres and Bortuzzo would be claimed.
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby columbia on Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:33 pm

Maybe on Bortuzzo.
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby GeoTank on Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:45 pm

mikey287 wrote:
SubtropicalPenguin wrote:Would Samuelsson need to clear waivers to start the season, or would that only apply if he is called-up or sent-down at some point during the season?


If he is sent down at any point, waivers are required.


Really I thought he could start the season in WBS?
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby mikey287 on Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:56 pm

SubtropicalPenguin wrote:I'd hate for the Pens to lose him for nothing. What are the odds he would clear waivers? I'm sure Despres and Bortuzzo would be claimed.


Despres wouldn't make it past any team with a contract spot in most situations. Bortuzzo and Samuelsson have a decent chance of clearing. If you really pay attention this year, watch how many of that particular d-man get waived every year. I think you'd be surprised. And for every time a nobody like Brian Strait gets claimed, a player like Jason Pominville clears...it just happens...

To claim Phillip Samuelsson you have to look at your starting 6 and go, "this guy, this is an upgrade" - for me, that's a tough sell.
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby pens_srq on Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:58 pm

What is it that makes Phillip Samuelsson eligible for waivers? Capgeek thinks he's exempt for 1 year or 133 games.
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby mikey287 on Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:08 pm

Signed as a 20 year old. So he has three professional seasons before requiring waivers. So, 11-12, 12-13 and 13-14. Meaning that, this year, 2014-15, would be his fourth pro season and, as such, he is no longer waiver exempt.
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby Pens4Life on Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:17 am

If Phillip is on two way contract,which he probably is,he should play in WBS.

Letang - Martin
Ehrhoff - Despres
Scuderi - Bortuzzo
x - Dumoulin or Harrington (7th D,because those two cant be claimed thru waivers)
inj.Maata
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby DelPen on Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:12 am

Pens4Life wrote:If Phillip is on two way contract,which he probably is,he should play in WBS.

Letang - Martin
Ehrhoff - Despres
Scuderi - Bortuzzo
x - Dumoulin or Harrington (7th D,because those two cant be claimed thru waivers)
inj.Maata


Actual money isn't an issue with this team, Despres, Bortuzzo, Maatta, Samuelsson, Dumoulin, Poulliot and Harrington all make under the threshold to have a cap hit in the NHL regardless of two-way status.

Just because he has a two way does not make him waiver exempt. At this point you are going to need to possibly risk losing Samuelsson or Bortuzzo. I'd take both over Scuderi right now for several reasons but that's not possible.

Big picture neither will ever be top 4 on this team and probably not even top 6 when we have this in 4 years:

Letang-Harrington
Pouliot-Maatta
Despres-Dumoulin

But I hate to lose guys for nothing.
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby FLPensFan on Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:06 pm

This is how I think the roster is going to shape up as the regular season nears.

1. Kapanen makes the team, at least for 9 games. If he can show something then, he stays. There is no need to rush him, but early indications seem to be that he can handle the physical side of things (although still needs to bulk up). I would like to see him make the team, and show he has the ability to play in the top 6. If he can make the team for the whole season, I would rest him at times during the season by getting Bennett into the lineup in his place. If they could play Kapanen 50-60 games, and Bennett for 20-30 games, I think Kapanen would be a lot fresher come playoff time. I by no means think Kapanen is a lock to make the team, but if he does, and sticks for more than just the 9 games, I'd like to see him play about 3/4 of the season to avoid breakdown in playoffs.

2. I'd like to see Payerl start on the 4th line. He brings that heavy element this team needs. I believe it was supposed to happen last year but he got hurt. Would like to seem him start on the big club.

3. I think Scuderi will be given every chance to show if he can still play, and in Johnston's system. If he can't prove he is not a liability when Maata returns, I think he will be the 7th defenseman, sitting out and playing spot duty as injuries occur. In that type of role, he should be ok, rather than being counted on for 80+ games.

4. Even though he is out of waiver options, I don't think Samuelsson makes the team. It's just a hunch, but again, the talk over the summer almost never included his name in the mix. Coming out of dev camp, Pens seemed to be high on Dumoulin the most. That could all change, as it will be up to Dumoulin, Harrington, and Samuelsson to prove the most at training camp. I think after his injury time, Pouliot could be given a shot in January (time to heal, and time to get in game shape in AHL before NHL debut).

5. With possible cap issues, I think Tomas Greiss needs to come in and show a huge improvement over Zatkoff to justify the extra 400K in cap money. I just dont' see it happening.


FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Kasperi Kapanen ($0.925m)
Patric Hornqvist ($4.250m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
Nick Spaling ($2.000m) / Brandon Sutter ($3.575m) / Steve Downie ($1.000m)
Blake Comeau ($0.700m) / Marcel Goc ($1.200m) / Adam Payerl ($0.627m)
Craig Adams ($0.700m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($7.250m) / Simon Despres ($0.900m)
Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.600m) / Rob Scuderi ($3.375m)
Brian Dumoulin ($0.832m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Jeff Zatkoff ($0.600m)
BURIED
Thomas Greiss ($0.075m)
LTIR
Beau Bennett ($0.900m)
Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,408,333; BONUSES: $308,333
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $591,667


When Maata comes back, and Pouliot becomes healthy, I think we could end up seeing something more along the lines of:

Letang-Martin
Ehrhoff-Maata
Despres-Pouliot
Scuderi, Bortuzzo

That is a pretty solid top 4, and depending on how Despres adjusts this year, the 5-6 pair could be pretty good too.
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby Bioshock on Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:06 am

So, is Sutter gonna sign or what?
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby Mr. Colby on Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:48 am

yes
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Re: Up to Date Lineup

Postby Steve Dave on Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:24 am

Marleau Crosby Hornqvist
Kunitz Malkin Bennett
Dupuis Spaling Downie
Carter Goc Comeau
Sill

Despres Letang
Maatta Erhoff
Scuderi Bortuzzo
Dumoulin Samuelsson
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