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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby sniper on Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:08 am

Would have preferred more years, even at a slightly higher cap hit. But it takes two sides to make a deal and they can negotiate an extension next off season. Hopefully they can lock him up for more years at that point.
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby Chirpin' Grinder on Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:20 am

sniper wrote:Would have preferred more years, even at a slightly higher cap hit. But it takes two sides to make a deal and they can negotiate an extension next off season. Hopefully they can lock him up for more years at that point.


Yea it would have been nice. You always wonder who drew the line and where, but this is a good deal for both sides. :thumb: :thumb:

Despres will gain confidence quickly and hopefully gets a chance with Letang, which should be the Pens top pairing for the next 5 years.
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby FreeCandy44 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:03 am

Pitts wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
Pavel Bure wrote:**** yeah reign that boy in.


About time.

I concur. He was getting a little too out of hand.

He was making a big mess in the press box while eating nachos. Dang kids.....
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby Desiato on Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:14 am

I assumed this contract would have brought opinions of Despres back down to earth a bit. If executives on any other team thought his value as high as people here, he probably wouldn't be a Penguin anymore IMO.

It's obvious he has the physical attributes to be a regular contributor. But he's mistake prone and seems to react slowly to the fast play of the NHL. Maybe the former is because of the latter.

As much due criticism Bylsma gets for his poor development record, he usually used Despres in favourable situations. IMO, that's one of the reasons why he looked so good at times.

I'm glad the Pens kept him. I look forward to seeing what he brings to the table with a pivotal contract. But he's far from a sure thing.
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby DelPen on Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:33 pm

I still think he can be like a young Kevin Hatcher. He just needs more ice time.
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:35 pm

The sky is the limit for Despres. Once he really gets his footing at the NHL speed he's going to be fierce. I'm expecting a physical style of Martin's game.
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby largegarlic on Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:43 pm

Desiato wrote:I assumed this contract would have brought opinions of Despres back down to earth a bit. If executives on any other team thought his value as high as people here, he probably wouldn't be a Penguin anymore IMO.

It's obvious he has the physical attributes to be a regular contributor. But he's mistake prone and seems to react slowly to the fast play of the NHL. Maybe the former is because of the latter.

As much due criticism Bylsma gets for his poor development record, he usually used Despres in favourable situations. IMO, that's one of the reasons why he looked so good at times.

I'm glad the Pens kept him. I look forward to seeing what he brings to the table with a pivotal contract. But he's far from a sure thing.


This is kind of how I feel. He definitely has all the tools to be a good d-man at the NHL level, but has had problems with consistency and brain farts. That could be due to him still being young or Bylsma's attitude towards him (if there really was any real show of lack of confidence there), or he could just be one of those guys that never puts it together enough to be effective in the NHL.
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:50 pm

largegarlic wrote:
Desiato wrote:I assumed this contract would have brought opinions of Despres back down to earth a bit. If executives on any other team thought his value as high as people here, he probably wouldn't be a Penguin anymore IMO.

It's obvious he has the physical attributes to be a regular contributor. But he's mistake prone and seems to react slowly to the fast play of the NHL. Maybe the former is because of the latter.

As much due criticism Bylsma gets for his poor development record, he usually used Despres in favourable situations. IMO, that's one of the reasons why he looked so good at times.

I'm glad the Pens kept him. I look forward to seeing what he brings to the table with a pivotal contract. But he's far from a sure thing.


This is kind of how I feel. He definitely has all the tools to be a good d-man at the NHL level, but has had problems with consistency and brain farts. That could be due to him still being young or Bylsma's attitude towards him (if there really was any real show of lack of confidence there), or he could just be one of those guys that never puts it together enough to be effective in the NHL.


It's hard to have any kind of consistency if you're not given a consistent shot, nor is he capable of overcoming his rookie mistakes if he doesn't get a chance not only play consistently, but be used properly.
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby Desiato on Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:59 pm

What gives me the most hope for Despres is the criticism FHCDB received from former players that his system was complicated. That could explain the bulk of Despres' shortcomings. And maybe Tocchet can turn him into a sadist. Just adding a mean streak to his game would right a lot of wrongs.

I don't mean to sound down him. Not many guys his size can move so well. But I think the Pens would be remiss to bank on his emergence if the intent is to contend. Which I think it should be.
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:02 pm

Desiato wrote:What gives me the most hope for Despres is the criticism FHCDB received from former players that his system was complicated. That could explain the bulk of Despres' shortcomings. And maybe Tocchet can turn him into a sadist. Just adding a mean streak to his game would right a lot of wrongs.

I don't mean to sound down him. Not many guys his size can move so well. But I think the Pens would be remiss to bank on his emergence if the intent is to contend. Which I think it should be.


In general DB misused all his assets. To me DB constantly tried fitting a square peg in a round hole. I don't even like the use of the terms "shortcomings" when it comes to Despres because he hasn't even had a chance to get used to the NHL speed or game.
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby DropEmJayBird on Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:23 pm

Two things about Despres that I really liked (based on observations)
- He doesn't like to lose battles on the wall, and has the size to actually do something about it.
- He actually tries to protect his net during rebound scrums, front of the net action after the initial shot.
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby offsides on Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:15 pm

Hugo Stiglitz wrote:In general DB misused all his assets. To me DB constantly tried fitting a square peg in a round hole.


Yeah, think this is right. I think other teams noticed this also, and to me the proof is he isn't coaching anywhere. All the hockey people said he would be hired immediately because he is such a great coach. Guess he's not as good as some people thought. Definitely didn't use our young talent correctly. We'll see how Despres develops with the new guy.
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby IMFC on Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:22 pm

DelPen wrote:I still think he can be like a young Kevin Hatcher. He just needs more ice time.


Does he have a brother? Trade him for his brother - fast!
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:32 pm

I do think people need to realize that Despres will still have growing pains. He's going to make mistakes, have his ups and downs but I think you'll see them less and less as the season moves on.
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby PghSkins on Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:12 pm

This is despressing
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby Gaucho on Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:37 pm

Despres will be better than Maatta who will be the next Lidstrom.
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby Desiato on Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:51 pm

Gaucho wrote:Despres will be better than Maatta who will be the next Lidstrom.


And don't forget we have Letang as Bobby Orr. This is going to be good.
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:35 pm

PghSkins wrote:This is despressing


Maybe you just need a despresso
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy on Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:52 pm

Desiato wrote:
Gaucho wrote:Despres will be better than Maatta who will be the next Lidstrom.


And don't forget we have Letang as Bobby Orr. This is going to be good.


And Bortz looks like a giraffe which is pretty cool
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby viva la ben on Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:10 pm

Despres reign
Shero said he'd be top four last year
Despres reign
Starchild just might be the sperm donor
Despres reign
An asset with a lot of potential
Despres reign
Scuderi eats the nachos from consol
Despres reign
A whipping boy for him to be again
Despres reign
When he scores he'll be the new Letang
Despres reign
A d-man who will deal the pain
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby dodint on Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:47 pm

Wow. Way to reach back Tay. Did you move away from the keyboard to breathe in?
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby RisslingsMissingTeeth on Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:47 am

During one run last season, I really started consciously comparing Despres with Maatta and I was amazed at just how superior Maatta looked knowing how much less experience he had the maturity was just so much better. Olli just knows when to plug the offensive gap, how to work a puck deep, when to stay calm in your end and not fly around. I don't think Simon's bar is as high and I don't think he is a long term solution. I would rather keep this spot warm for Pouliot and see what he can do with it in another year. So the contract term works for me.
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby pcm on Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:58 am

RisslingsMissingTeeth wrote:During one run last season, I really started consciously comparing Despres with Maatta and I was amazed at just how superior Maatta looked knowing how much less experience he had the maturity was just so much better. Olli just knows when to plug the offensive gap, how to work a puck deep, when to stay calm in your end and not fly around. I don't think Simon's bar is as high and I don't think he is a long term solution. I would rather keep this spot warm for Pouliot and see what he can do with it in another year. So the contract term works for me.


Maatta is a freak in this regard, plus he had the confidence of the coaching staff through and through. Despres is on a more "normal" development trajectory for a defenseman (not to mention he never had the confidence of the coaches). His physical tools are > Maatta. But the mental game is a huge component, and Maatta's maturity and poise puts him ahead of Despres right now. But if Despres develops that maturity, than he's likely got a higher ceiling than Maatta IMO.

Regardless, both look to be very good young dmen.

Pouliot on the other hand, I don't expect to be a top 4 guy here for some years. Much like Goligoski, I'm guessing he'll be a bottom pairing PP specialist until he develops the defensive side of his game as much as he can.
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby DocEmrick on Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:59 am

dodint wrote:Wow. Way to reach back Tay. Did you move away from the keyboard to breathe in?

:lol:
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Re: Simon Despres reigned

Postby pens_srq on Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:50 pm

Biggest part of Despres game that is missing: NHL Ice Time.
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