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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Pens4Life on Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:08 pm

ScottIsMyName wrote:Wow, still no Sprong?


what for,to play on 4th line? No reason for scoring winger atm
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Puck-Lurker on Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:13 pm

At this time, sticking to the narrative is best for Sprong. Leave him in the AHL until black aces/taxi squad time. Ice-time and coaching in Wilkes-Barre will be far more valuable to him than being forward 13-14 in Pittsburgh.

By comparing to other call-ups: ZAR, Simon and Blueger are 23, Dea is 24. Of the forwards that started the season, Guentzel is 23, Rust and Sheary 25, the rest is older. Sprong is 20.

If you call him up now, it either shows: (A) you're VERY sure of Sprong --- or (B) are VERY convinced he's not worth it investing the time developing him --- and you just plug him in somewhere as injuries dictate.

I don't think either applies. Lo and behold, we traded for a guy with roughly two full seasons of NHL time. Guy's a fourth line/AHL type if I read right. Not a miracle worker, but useful. UFA after the season ends too. Logical call-up decision.
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Puck-Lurker on Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:13 pm

Josh Jooris sent down to Wilkes-Barre as Rust is returning to the lineup. Jooris scored no points as the 4th line center, having played only 2 games, remained at +/- 0. He won 4 of his 10 faceoffs, averaging just over 7 minutes of ice time.

https://www.nhl.com/penguins/news/joori ... t-penguins
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Owchar76 on Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:54 pm

Pens4Life wrote:
ScottIsMyName wrote:Wow, still no Sprong?


what for,to play on 4th line? No reason for scoring winger atm


You'd rather have a Rowney instead? One with zero skill that does nothing?
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby BONVIE on Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:19 pm

Looks like Josh Jooris was recalled on Sunday according to this link. Who is hurt now?

https://theahl.com/stats/transactions
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby jwest21 on Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:51 pm

BONVIE wrote:Looks like Josh Jooris was recalled on Sunday according to this link. Who is hurt now?

https://theahl.com/stats/transactions

Rowney
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Crashguy66 on Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:53 pm

Jarry down. I guess Murray is ready.
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Owchar76 on Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:50 pm

Crashguy66 wrote:Jarry down. I guess Murray is ready.


Yeah it was announced earlier today that Murray would be an "option" tomorrow vs the Isles.
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Puck-Lurker on Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:47 pm

Baby Pens got swept 3-0 in their series against Charlotte. Call in the taxis.
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby DelPen on Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:53 pm

Jooris needs to be in over Rowney and if Malkin is r day he can play some wing with Sheahan and Kessel.
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Badger Bob on Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:19 am

Here come the Black Aces!!!
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Risto on Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:12 am

Badger Bob wrote:Here come the Black Aces!!!


Thank goodness.

Rowney and Kuhn are not NHL players. Sorry. The Trib posted a stat that shot attempts were 14-0 in favor of the Caps last night when Rowney was on the ice. That's horrendous. It's like they're killing a penalty, even when it's even strength. There are better players in WB.

Obviously, this situation improves a great deal if Malkin is back in the lineup and Sheahan resumes his normal spot with ZAR on the 4th line. But Rowney and Kuhn should NEVER be in the lineup together again.
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Penspal on Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:31 am

Risto wrote:
Badger Bob wrote:Here come the Black Aces!!!


Thank goodness.

Rowney and Kuhn are not NHL players. Sorry. The Trib posted a stat that shot attempts were 14-0 in favor of the Caps last night when Rowney was on the ice. That's horrendous. It's like they're killing a penalty, even when it's even strength. There are better players in WB.

Obviously, this situation improves a great deal if Malkin is back in the lineup and Sheahan resumes his normal spot with ZAR on the 4th line. But Rowney and Kuhn should NEVER be in the lineup together again.


Kuhnhackl is a two time STANLEY CUP CHAMPION. How is he NOT an NHL player? He's a 4th line role player who is a PK specialist. I am willing to bet you that he'll score a key shorty and you'll have to eat some crow.....

As for Rowney, dude deserves a little bit of a break. Only his 2nd or 3rd game after coming back from a long injury. Sometimes, the stats show that that other team is good, not that a player is bad....
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Risto on Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:54 am

Penspal wrote:
Risto wrote:
Badger Bob wrote:Here come the Black Aces!!!


Kuhnhackl is a two time STANLEY CUP CHAMPION. How is he NOT an NHL player? He's a 4th line role player who is a PK specialist. I am willing to bet you that he'll score a key shorty and you'll have to eat some crow.....

As for Rowney, dude deserves a little bit of a break. Only his 2nd or 3rd game after coming back from a long injury. Sometimes, the stats show that that other team is good, not that a player is bad....


The Pens won the last 2 years after a number of years of playoff flops because they were able to roll 4 dangerous lines. The Pens 4th line presents almost zero threat when RowneyKuhn is playing. The Caps could have gone out for tea when that line was on the ice. 14-0 shot attempts for Rowney. 11-0 shot attempts for Kuhn. They did not ATTEMPT a single shot last night. And that was in 12 minutes and 10 minutes of ice time, respectively.

As far as Rowney just coming back from injury- so what? He hasn't looked particularly good at any time this year and was a team worst plus/minus despite playing only 40+ games.
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Jim on Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:10 am

Risto wrote:Rowney and Kuhn are not NHL players.


No less than anyone coming from WBS...
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Puck-Lurker on Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:10 pm

Risto wrote:Rowney and Kuhn are not NHL players.


Sullivan thinks differently.
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Lesky on Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:36 pm

Sullivan never changes a winning team so Rowney will get 12 more minutes to prove his worth on sunday.....
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Owchar76 on Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:03 pm

Penspal wrote:
Risto wrote:
Badger Bob wrote:Here come the Black Aces!!!


Thank goodness.

Rowney and Kuhn are not NHL players. Sorry. The Trib posted a stat that shot attempts were 14-0 in favor of the Caps last night when Rowney was on the ice. That's horrendous. It's like they're killing a penalty, even when it's even strength. There are better players in WB.

Obviously, this situation improves a great deal if Malkin is back in the lineup and Sheahan resumes his normal spot with ZAR on the 4th line. But Rowney and Kuhn should NEVER be in the lineup together again.


Kuhnhackl is a two time STANLEY CUP CHAMPION. How is he NOT an NHL player? He's a 4th line role player who is a PK specialist. I am willing to bet you that he'll score a key shorty and you'll have to eat some crow.....

As for Rowney, dude deserves a little bit of a break. Only his 2nd or 3rd game after coming back from a long injury. Sometimes, the stats show that that other team is good, not that a player is bad....


Teams can still win the Stanley Cup in spite of carrying bad players.

The numbers show that the team is consistently worse when the combination of those two players are on the ice. The numbers also show that Rowney makes every line worse when he dresses. They aren't good defensively, if they WERE, the puck wouldn't be in their end the whole time and have them bleeding shot after shot and barely treading water. If they had any offensive skill, they'd at least be able to create some kind of pressure. They do neither.

A "PK Specialist" is a nice way of saying, "player with little talent". When our supposed PK specialists weren't in the lineup, the PK didn't seem to miss a beat. Sure, Kuhnhackl might score a shorty. I'm willing to bet a guy like Sheary, Guentzel, or even Simon would be a much bigger PK threat than him, and yes they could probably PK just as well. Sure Kuhnhackl blocks a bunch of shots and i'll credit him for that, but without looking, I'm pretty sure he's among the worst PK guys in terms of shot attempts against on the PK.

Kuhnhackl can stick around and contribute in small ways as long as Rowney isn't the centre. You can't dress both, it's a nightmare and it was last night.
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Puck-Lurker on Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:51 pm

Recalled from Wilkes-Barre:

F: Jooris, Sprong, Di Pauli, Johnson, Blueger, Wilson and Dea
D: Bengtsson, Summers, Tinordi and Pedan
G: Jarry and Leighton

I'm predicting Malkin to return on the "fourth" line. Sully may ease him in, giving him 4th line minutes, plus PP time. And if that goes well, he might slide to another line as things move along.

You can do that. Because you have Crosby, Sheahan and Brassard to eat up minutes.
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby wondermoose on Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:04 pm

Malkin on the roster just for PP time alone would be worth more than, say, Carter Rowney.

Also, Anthony Angello ought to be a part of the Black Aces. That kid has a bright future.
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Penspal on Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:12 pm

Owchar76 wrote:
Penspal wrote:
Risto wrote:
Badger Bob wrote:Here come the Black Aces!!!


Thank goodness.

Rowney and Kuhn are not NHL players. Sorry. The Trib posted a stat that shot attempts were 14-0 in favor of the Caps last night when Rowney was on the ice. That's horrendous. It's like they're killing a penalty, even when it's even strength. There are better players in WB.

Obviously, this situation improves a great deal if Malkin is back in the lineup and Sheahan resumes his normal spot with ZAR on the 4th line. But Rowney and Kuhn should NEVER be in the lineup together again.


Kuhnhackl is a two time STANLEY CUP CHAMPION. How is he NOT an NHL player? He's a 4th line role player who is a PK specialist. I am willing to bet you that he'll score a key shorty and you'll have to eat some crow.....

As for Rowney, dude deserves a little bit of a break. Only his 2nd or 3rd game after coming back from a long injury. Sometimes, the stats show that that other team is good, not that a player is bad....


Teams can still win the Stanley Cup in spite of carrying bad players.

The numbers show that the team is consistently worse when the combination of those two players are on the ice. The numbers also show that Rowney makes every line worse when he dresses. They aren't good defensively, if they WERE, the puck wouldn't be in their end the whole time and have them bleeding shot after shot and barely treading water. If they had any offensive skill, they'd at least be able to create some kind of pressure. They do neither.

A "PK Specialist" is a nice way of saying, "player with little talent". When our supposed PK specialists weren't in the lineup, the PK didn't seem to miss a beat. Sure, Kuhnhackl might score a shorty. I'm willing to bet a guy like Sheary, Guentzel, or even Simon would be a much bigger PK threat than him, and yes they could probably PK just as well. Sure Kuhnhackl blocks a bunch of shots and i'll credit him for that, but without looking, I'm pretty sure he's among the worst PK guys in terms of shot attempts against on the PK.

Kuhnhackl can stick around and contribute in small ways as long as Rowney isn't the centre. You can't dress both, it's a nightmare and it was last night.


Pens are configured to win by using 4th liners as PK'ers. Therefore, it becomes very difficult to use 2nd line guys on the PK. IMHO, the Pens use is a very holistic approach to the lines, PK and PP. We (LGP as a whole) seem to like to discuss various details without recognizing that everything has to fit together. There are some here on LGP (none on this thread) that think the NHL is like NHL18 where you can keep throwing out the guys, no injuries, don't get tired, etc.

Another thing about Kuhnhackl... And this goes back to the grinders of cups past. Be it Troy Loney, Craig Adams, insert ex Pens 4th line champion here). Having a player who plays within his role, doesn't complain AND repeatedly does things that most players would not (think of the walk through wall mentality) helps to keep the rest of the team in the right mindset (it jacks them up using the hockey lingo). Kuhnhackl will repeatedly block killer slapshots on the same shift (Kuhny's been called a maniac by a few announcers for that shot blocking practice). Kuhnhackl also finishes checks, and his number per toi show he hits more than others (recognize that is increased by the fact his line doesn't have the puck).

HCMS choice to play these guys seems to imply his disregard with "the numbers". I'm not here to say that Jooris or player X is better than Rowney. But does the other players have the coaches confidence AND the experience of playoffs, especially important games? Lastly, the players that we have available are a product of many things, but one of the key ones is the salary cap.

In summary, I find it odd that people will come on here, after a win mind you, and shovel **** on 4h line guys. But, that's your opinion, and you are most certainly entitled to it.
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby Pens4Life on Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:21 pm

yes,its just stupid to bash Kuhn and Carter.. they are solid 4th line players, grinders and proven playoffs warriors..
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby FLPensFan on Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:22 pm

wondermoose wrote:Malkin on the roster just for PP time alone would be worth more than, say, Carter Rowney.

Also, Anthony Angello ought to be a part of the Black Aces. That kid has a bright future.

Anthony Angelo had an AHL only PTO (tryout contract). Penguins would have to sign him to a deal first, and even then, I'm not sure he would be eligible to play in this year's playoffs.
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby pens_CT on Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:05 pm

FLPensFan wrote:
wondermoose wrote:Malkin on the roster just for PP time alone would be worth more than, say, Carter Rowney.

Also, Anthony Angello ought to be a part of the Black Aces. That kid has a bright future.

Anthony Angelo had an AHL only PTO (tryout contract). Penguins would have to sign him to a deal first, and even then, I'm not sure he would be eligible to play in this year's playoffs.


Angello did sign a two year deal, which kicks in next year. He was on an ATO for the balance of the season for WBS. He is a guy who has some skill, skates well, and has a big body and is willing to use it. He is one of the under the radar guys, like Rust was, and when he makes it to the NHL, people will be wondering where in the heck did this guy come from.
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Re: The Call-Up Caroussel

Postby DelPen on Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:57 am

Pens4Life wrote:yes,its just stupid to bash Kuhn and Carter.. they are solid 4th line players, grinders and proven playoffs warriors..

Rowney blows. He hasn’t proven anything other than he doesn’t flat out suck which is a pretty low bar to climb over. He has no speed, he doesn’t use his size and he doesn’t create offense. He doesn’t do anything that is needed in the playoffs to help a team succeed. If there’s no one else to play then I guess you can make a very weak case for him to play but Jooris is better and if malkin is good then Rowney is the first to go.
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