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Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby nastystang05 on Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:32 pm

Jagr was hit into the boards violently and suffered a concussion.
There is a video clip on hockeybuzz. I can't remember the board's policy on posting links. If allowable I will post.

What do you think?
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby FLPensFan on Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:38 pm

nastystang05 wrote:Jagr was hit into the boards violently and suffered a concussion.
There is a video clip on hockeybuzz. I can't remember the board's policy on posting links. If allowable I will post.

What do you think?

You can post the link.

EDIT: Here it is: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Aivis-Kalnins/Jaromir-Jagrs-dark-streak-continues/246/91092
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby BurghThing on Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:48 pm

Man if that hit happened in the NHL, he might have got a 2:00 minor, maybe.
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby Tomas on Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:57 pm

Jagr - at least based on his team's info - did NOT suffer a concussion. He "only" choked on his tongue, had a cut above his upper lip (1 stitch) and suffered an "overall shock" (whatever that's supposed to mean). The team calls it "not a serious injury" even after Jagr was thoroughly checked in a hospital.

In is not sure, though, whether Jagr will play on Wednesday

Technically, he cannot afford missing any game if he wants to log 15 games be eligible to play in the promotion/relegation tournament to the Czech Extraleague. In reality, he probably can miss 1-2 games, because the "15 games" are based on 7 games remaining in the regular season + rather unrealistic assumption (Jagr's team is not that great) that Kladno will win BOTH play-off series 4:0. Of course, every play-off loss "buys" Jagr one game he can miss...

Even after today's league review, the hit on Jagr was deemed completely legal, and the attacking player will not face any further consequences (he was not penalized during the game, either).

The video of the hit is here:
https://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/hokej-do ... atera.html
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby nastystang05 on Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:09 pm

Thanks for posting that! That statement is laughable at best. It looks like he was out cold and even had a slight decorticate posturing. This based solely off seeing that video that was just posted. He could truly be fine and have gotten right up. I think it's peculiar that they haven't posted a longer video of the incident though.
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby Tomas on Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:33 pm

nastystang05 wrote:Thanks for posting that! That statement is laughable at best. It looks like he was out cold and even had a slight decorticate posturing. This based solely off seeing that video that was just posted. He could truly be fine and have gotten right up. I think it's peculiar that they haven't posted a longer video of the incident though.


Here is the youtube video of the hit (around 0:20 mark):



And one longer video showing the hit and the aftermath. DEFINITELY a concussion, IMO:

http://hokej.cz/tv/hokejka/video/4061
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby Sigwolf on Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:30 pm

He really seems out of it in that video. I hope he is OK in the long run.
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby Tomas on Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:16 pm

HC Kladno just announced that Jagr will for sure miss the Wednesday's game. Once that happens, the team will have to lose at least one play-off game to make Jagr eligible to play in the promotion/relegation tournament. (Of course, the team has to actually win two play-off series to get to that tournament).

The coach of HC Kladno with a rather scary quote: "...Jagr is 'Mr. Hockey Player' and he will help us in all those difficult games a lot. Whether it will be tomorrow, in one week, or in 14 days, that remains to be seen." :scared:
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby Lesky on Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:48 pm

Why does HC Kladno not provide any english material on their website? :thumbdown:
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby wondermoose on Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:45 pm

Lesky wrote:Why does HC Kladno not provide any english material on their website? :thumbdown:


Ugh, Americans! :face:
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby Tomas on Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:30 pm

Jagr update: He sat out a total of 2 games after being knocked out the Saturday before last. During all that time, he did not communicate with anybody - and that apparently includes the coach of his team (who based on one semi passive-aggresive quote of his was no particularly thrilled by being stuck in limbo). Today, the CZE2 league play-offs started - and Jagr played a TOTAL OF 7 SECONDS before heading to the locker room - strictly so that he can log a start toward the mandatory eligibility minimum of 15 games necessary to qualify him for the promotion tournament.

Interestingly, Czech Internet does not like what Jagr just did at all! :D

(By the way, because of 2 games missed, Jagr's Kladno will have to lose at least 2 games in the two upcoming play-off series.)
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby BurghThing on Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:48 pm

The owner should talk to him about this behavior!
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby Tomas on Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:02 pm

Jagr finally talked to the media today: the uncontrolled fall after being knocked out caused damage to inner knee ligaments and meniscus. He said that there is a "chance" he might still play in the promotion/relegation tournament.

Which can be translated that for the whole length of play-offs, Jagr will be logging starts just by one shift/game. All while his teammates and the coach try to figure out how to extend the play-off and get Jagr his 9 starts while there are only 7 wins necessary in the rest of the play-offs.

If that does not scream like a wonderful ending to an illustrious career, I don't know what does... :roll:
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby Lesky on Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:55 pm

Tomas wrote:Jagr update: He sat out a total of 2 games after being knocked out the Saturday before last. During all that time, he did not communicate with anybody - and that apparently includes the coach of his team (who based on one semi passive-aggresive quote of his was no particularly thrilled by being stuck in limbo). Today, the CZE2 league play-offs started - and Jagr played a TOTAL OF 7 SECONDS before heading to the locker room - strictly so that he can log a start toward the mandatory eligibility minimum of 15 games necessary to qualify him for the promotion tournament.

Interestingly, Czech Internet does not like what Jagr just did at all! :D


I certainly appreciate the updates Tomas. Keep em coming!

May I ask why the czech internet did not like what Jagr did with only playing 7 seconds? Isnt Jagr considered a god in czech republic? Dont the people want to see him play later on if he gets healthy?
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby Steve Dave on Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:26 am

Lesky wrote:
Tomas wrote:Jagr update: He sat out a total of 2 games after being knocked out the Saturday before last. During all that time, he did not communicate with anybody - and that apparently includes the coach of his team (who based on one semi passive-aggresive quote of his was no particularly thrilled by being stuck in limbo). Today, the CZE2 league play-offs started - and Jagr played a TOTAL OF 7 SECONDS before heading to the locker room - strictly so that he can log a start toward the mandatory eligibility minimum of 15 games necessary to qualify him for the promotion tournament.

Interestingly, Czech Internet does not like what Jagr just did at all! :D


I certainly appreciate the updates Tomas. Keep em coming!

May I ask why the czech internet did not like what Jagr did with only playing 7 seconds? Isnt Jagr considered a god in czech republic? Dont the people want to see him play later on if he gets healthy?

He probably has more haters than admirers, like Crosby. Imagine how confused Eastern Europeans are reading Crosby is a female body part/other name for a cat.
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby Zarovich on Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:19 pm

Not much give on those boards. Yikes!
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby Tomas on Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:39 pm

Steve Dave wrote:
Lesky wrote:
Tomas wrote:Jagr update: He sat out a total of 2 games after being knocked out the Saturday before last. During all that time, he did not communicate with anybody - and that apparently includes the coach of his team (who based on one semi passive-aggresive quote of his was no particularly thrilled by being stuck in limbo). Today, the CZE2 league play-offs started - and Jagr played a TOTAL OF 7 SECONDS before heading to the locker room - strictly so that he can log a start toward the mandatory eligibility minimum of 15 games necessary to qualify him for the promotion tournament.

Interestingly, Czech Internet does not like what Jagr just did at all! :D


I certainly appreciate the updates Tomas. Keep em coming!

May I ask why the czech internet did not like what Jagr did with only playing 7 seconds? Isnt Jagr considered a god in czech republic? Dont the people want to see him play later on if he gets healthy?

He probably has more haters than admirers, like Crosby. Imagine how confused Eastern Europeans are reading Crosby is a female body part/other name for a cat.


Here is the deal - he is 46-year old VERY INJURED player. Jagr has still extreme difficulties with skating, climbing stairs, etc. In fact, just today Jagr again announced that there has been "no progress" with his injury recovery, and he plans to continue his 4-7 seconds game "shifts" for yet another play-off series (and this time it will actually be against the HIGHER seed). It's very uncertain if he can heal in 14 days to play in the promotion tournament (conditional on winning this play-off series) and/or if he can even be a factor in this shape.

At the same time, Jagr is persistently leaving his team (that earned No. 3 seed without Jagr's help) one man-short, and takes a roster spot from likely a very good and motivated young player(s) in a league that is generally considered "developmental." (Jagr in fact sat out Game 5 when first play-off series was tied 2:2. His replacement was some talented junior who, based on game reports, played really well.)

What Jagr's team does may be technically legal, but it definitely goes against the spirit of the rules (somebody who cannot climb stairs should not be given medical clearance to play a game involving professional players). Ultimately, I think that's primarily the reason why people don't appreciate what's going on.
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby Tomas on Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:19 pm

Jagr update:

After first two games, Jagr's HC Kladno (3 seed) surprisingly leads HC Budweiss (2 seed) 2:0 (3:1, and 3:2 OT when scoring the tying goal with 1 minute left in regulation).

Jagr got his two 5-second long shifts, and now he has 12 starts in the league. He still needs 3 more starts to become eligible for the promotion tournament. Incidentally, Jagr actually pretty much cost his team one goal during game 2 tonight, when he was slowly coasting off the ice after the initial whistle - and the opponent ran the attack full-force, and scored at 0:18 mark...

The next two games will be played in Kladno, and if Jagr's team wins game 3, they will be facing a really interesting dilemma: (a) to play hard to close the series and to advance to the most important tournament of the season without Jagr vs. (b) to intentionally lose game 4 to get Jagr potentially eligible - while risking the opponent's series comeback...
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby Tomas on Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:55 pm

I don't have time to translate all of this, but know that when people will look back at the anals of history, they'll gonna be talking about 3 things - discovery of fire, invention of the submarine, and the day high school seniors defended Jaromir Jagr with their own bodies from crazy knife-waving, erratically skating CHARLIE!! :)

https://translate.google.com/translate? ... edit-text=

CHARLIE (only Benny Hill theme music is missing):

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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby Tomas on Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:18 pm

Jagr update:

His HC Kladno went up 3-0 in the series yesterday. Since it was Jagr's 13th game (another 5-second mini-shift), it immediately prompted concerns about what Kladno would do today (had they won, Jagr would be one game short of being qualified for the relegation/promotion tournament). Kladno swore they would try hard to win and to clinch (I believe admitting otherwise would be against league rules :D ) , but they lost 2-4.

So, Kladno is still up 3-1, and Jagr will clinch his eligibility with another mini-shift during Game 5 of the series on Tuesday...

HOWEVER:

Jagr himself: unable to practice, unable to play, minimal chance he will recover this season:

https://translate.google.com/translate? ... edit-text=

At least:

Economics of 5 seconds/game. :D

Image

The cup:
http://www.hokejfanshopkladno.cz/detail ... 0700000250
The puck:
http://www.hokejfanshopkladno.cz/detail ... 0700000249
The scarf:
http://www.hokejfanshopkladno.cz/detail ... 0400000102
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby BurghThing on Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:51 pm

$14.50 isn't bad for that scarf, shipping is probably a killer though.
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Re: Jagr concussion to force retirement?

Postby Lesky on Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:43 pm

Tomas:

I have notice Jagrs team made the DUNGEON as the translation says.

Have Kladno any chance still to move up to the highest division again?

Any chance Jagr might play again this season?

Will he need knee surgery?
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