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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby jreed on Tue May 08, 2018 10:28 am

no name wrote:First if you would move Letang you have to have a defensemen signed via free agency or coming back in trade. Send him to Buffalo as long as we could land Ristolinen or Bogosiian, and a forward.

Bogosian and Okposo for Letang and Sheary??? Maybe throw in a draft pick?


Not a whole lot out there via UFA.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby Jim on Tue May 08, 2018 10:49 am

FLPensFan wrote:
Jim wrote:What about... work a UFA deal with Carlson and move Letang for a tough LW (like Landeskog) or picks/prospects. Carlson would replace Letang's O from the blueline, the picks/prospects would help restock the cupboard for future consumption.

Are you willing to pay Carlson the current salary of Kris Letang? That's not an endorsement or a knock on Carlson, but, based on today's salaries, that is what Carlson deserves. He's coming off a 6 year deal making a hair under 4M in cap hit. Prior to his deal, he was about a .4pt per game player, never exceeding 37 points. His 1st two years of his contract were about the same, but then he put up 55 in 82g, 39 in 56g, 37 in 72g, and 68 points in 82 games this year.

He's going to be a 6-8M defenseman for somebody. Would I swap out Letang for Carlson? Absolutely, because I do believe Carlson is a bit better defensively, and, although his numbers were better this year, I think Carlson has a little less offensive skill and, while a very good skater, he isn't of the same slick skating style of Letang.

If the Penguins could find a way to trade Letang, Sheary, and Hunwick........and bring in Landeskog, Carlson, and another solid depth defenseman, I'd say that would be a solid offseason.


I am not saying that Carslon/Letang is better or worse... but it is different. I've been on my LW bandwagon all year so I am not stopping now :)
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby FLPensFan on Tue May 08, 2018 11:05 am

Jim wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:
Jim wrote:What about... work a UFA deal with Carlson and move Letang for a tough LW (like Landeskog) or picks/prospects. Carlson would replace Letang's O from the blueline, the picks/prospects would help restock the cupboard for future consumption.

Are you willing to pay Carlson the current salary of Kris Letang? That's not an endorsement or a knock on Carlson, but, based on today's salaries, that is what Carlson deserves. He's coming off a 6 year deal making a hair under 4M in cap hit. Prior to his deal, he was about a .4pt per game player, never exceeding 37 points. His 1st two years of his contract were about the same, but then he put up 55 in 82g, 39 in 56g, 37 in 72g, and 68 points in 82 games this year.

He's going to be a 6-8M defenseman for somebody. Would I swap out Letang for Carlson? Absolutely, because I do believe Carlson is a bit better defensively, and, although his numbers were better this year, I think Carlson has a little less offensive skill and, while a very good skater, he isn't of the same slick skating style of Letang.

If the Penguins could find a way to trade Letang, Sheary, and Hunwick........and bring in Landeskog, Carlson, and another solid depth defenseman, I'd say that would be a solid offseason.


I am not saying that Carslon/Letang is better or worse... but it is different. I've been on my LW bandwagon all year so I am not stopping now :)

You aren't wrong. I've been saying it too, that they were short on the LW and needed to add there at the deadline. Hopefully they add there this summer.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby Steve on Tue May 08, 2018 11:11 am

In lockout years does the clock keep ticking on the contracts?

If so, Letang has four years left, one may get wiped out on the lockout, and the last year isn't as painful to dump if needed. So really we're looking at two years of possibly burying him on the third pairing (i.e. like the Caps did with Green).
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby ville5 on Tue May 08, 2018 11:18 am

Badger Bob wrote:Letang = $7.5M per year through 2021-22 season. Who the Hell wants to take that on? Pens would have to pay some of that salary even assuming they can find a trade partner on Letang's list of teams he'd accept a trade to. That contract is an albatross around their neck. Thanks Ray.

IIRC, Ray tried to trade him at the draft a few years back. But was vetoed by the big honchos. Those flowing locks and fluid skating set fans' hearts. Money in the bank.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby largegarlic on Tue May 08, 2018 11:34 am

I'd be fine seeing Letang go, but there are problems with that, as others have pointed out.

1. Whether he's a legit #1 d-man or whether he's worth the money he's paid, he is a legit top-pairing d-man. If he goes, the Pens don't seem to have anyone on the team or in the farm system that projects to step into that role.

2. You might then say that we could get a UFA top-pairing d-man, but the problems here are that the pickings are slim (Carlson, Green?, Jack Johnson?), and they're unlikely to be significantly cheaper or better than Letang.

3. You might then say that we could trade Letang for a different top pairing d-man. I think Letang would be a hot commodity on the trade market, but teams looking for a top pairing d-man are not usually looking to trade one back the other way, unless Rutherford can pull a Subban-Weber type deal or get an underrated, overlooked prospect back who suddenly blossoms into a top pairing talent in Pittsburgh.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby pressure=9Pa on Tue May 08, 2018 3:04 pm

Badger Bob wrote:Letang = $7.5M per year through 2021-22 season. Who the Hell wants to take that on?


A team that has ...

1. An owner that likes his fluid skating and 3 Cups to show the fans the team cares about winning, as the fans have questioned that recently.

2. A GM that wants to make a big move, maybe to hold onto a shaky job. Maybe someone that realizes that since OT has gone from 4-4 to 3-3, shootout specialists are no longer the most undervalued players in the league, d-men who excel in space are.

3. A young head coach that sees Letang's skating ability and other measurables and believes that he is capable of "fixing" Letang's decision making.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby FLPensFan on Tue May 08, 2018 3:51 pm

pressure=9Pa wrote:
Badger Bob wrote:Letang = $7.5M per year through 2021-22 season. Who the Hell wants to take that on?


A team that has ...

1. An owner that likes he's fluid skating and 3 Cups to show the fans the team cares about winning, as the fans have questioned that recently.

2. A GM that wants to make a big move, maybe to hold onto a shaky job. Maybe someone that realizes that since OT has gone from 4-4 to 3-3, shootout specialists are no longer the most undervalued players in the league, d-men who excel in space are.

3. A young head coach that sees Letang's skating ability and other measurables and believes that he is capable of "fixing" Letang's decision making.

Not looking at fit, cap space, return, etc......teams that I think would be interested in Letang simply because of what they have on defense today (or could lose over the next year):

Arizona, Buffalo, Edmonton, New Jersey, Colorado, Columbus, Flyers, Detroit would be some choices that I would think would have interest.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby Pruezy11881 on Tue May 08, 2018 3:56 pm

FLPensFan wrote:
pressure=9Pa wrote:
Badger Bob wrote:Letang = $7.5M per year through 2021-22 season. Who the Hell wants to take that on?


A team that has ...

1. An owner that likes he's fluid skating and 3 Cups to show the fans the team cares about winning, as the fans have questioned that recently.

2. A GM that wants to make a big move, maybe to hold onto a shaky job. Maybe someone that realizes that since OT has gone from 4-4 to 3-3, shootout specialists are no longer the most undervalued players in the league, d-men who excel in space are.

3. A young head coach that sees Letang's skating ability and other measurables and believes that he is capable of "fixing" Letang's decision making.

Not looking at fit, cap space, return, etc......teams that I think would be interested in Letang simply because of what they have on defense today (or could lose over the next year):

Arizona, Buffalo, Edmonton, New Jersey, Colorado, Columbus, Flyers, Detroit would be some choices that I would think would have interest.

Edmonton was the first that comes to mind for me. You know Chirelli is on the hot seat after how the team tanked from last season. Defense, along with lack of speed, killed that team. And with the Oil having McDavid, I'd be willing to be that Letang would not oppose the move if it presented itself.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby Lesky on Tue May 08, 2018 4:03 pm

Does Letang have clausuls saying he can not be traded without consent or only to select teams?
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby brwi on Tue May 08, 2018 4:35 pm

FLPensFan wrote:Not looking at fit, cap space, return, etc......teams that I think would be interested in Letang simply because of what they have on defense today (or could lose over the next year):

Arizona, Buffalo, Edmonton, New Jersey, Colorado, Columbus, Flyers, Detroit would be some choices that I would think would have interest.


Sure don't see Columbus having any interest whatsoever. They have Seth Jones who is already better than Letang at RD locked-up until 2023. Werenski RFA after next year. RD Savard locked up to 2021. Jack Johnson plays LD for them and it isn't like they rely on any offensive anything from him anyway.

Don't see the Pens dealing with Flyers. Avs and NJ are two that might have more interest than others. Looks like Wings are going to keep Green and Coyotes getting OEL signed.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby brwi on Tue May 08, 2018 4:38 pm

Lesky wrote:Does Letang have clausuls saying he can not be traded without consent or only to select teams?


Yes, he has a modified no-trade clause that doesn't allow him to be traded to certain teams, up to 12 total. He can of course waive that at any time if he wants to.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby Lesky on Wed May 09, 2018 8:40 pm

OK.

Let me just say this, it does not really help:

But man, Letang is bleeding black and gold and I believe he loves the team and the city. He gives 110% all the time and does not scare away from anything despite his injuries.

It was also nice to see him admit that game 5 error, which I did not think he did after game 5.

With a full off season, I hope he can rebound, as I assume he is not going anywhere.

Is Letang also not one of Crosbys best friends? With Fleury going I doubt they want to ship out Letang as well.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby DelPen on Thu May 10, 2018 10:09 am

The only trade I can see being accepted someplace else is Letang, Brassard and Sheary for Weber, Pacioretty with half salary retained, and the #35 and #56 picks. That’s solved a lot of issues for Montreal, gets us a legit top pairing D and top 6 LW and some decent picks. But that Weber deal for another 9 years, that’s rough. But it makes us better right now and frees up about $3 million in cap space.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby no name on Thu May 10, 2018 10:20 am

Don't expect any help from Letang, but you know Montreal would be on his list to end up at. I get the feeling he would open himself up to the team who wouldn't want him or need him. Or high priced no cap space teams to make it harder for us to move him.

I think Buffalo would want him but now with Dahlin on their radar they might hold back. They would want that high end guy to play with Eichel 5 on 5 to send him up the ice and to set the PP in motion.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby Pitts on Thu May 10, 2018 2:33 pm

You call all speculate from here to eternity, but Kris Letang is NOT GOING TO BE TRADED. I guarantee it.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby Badger Bob on Thu May 10, 2018 2:36 pm

Pitts wrote:You call all speculate from here to eternity, but Kris Letang is NOT GOING TO BE TRADED. I guarantee it.

^^^ This. Not that I agree with them not moving him, but I think he's well respected in the organization, regardless of his gaffs. I think they're also convinced that he's still getting back to 100% after the back surgery.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby Daniel on Fri May 11, 2018 7:15 pm

pressure=9Pa wrote:
Badger Bob wrote:Letang = $7.5M per year through 2021-22 season. Who the Hell wants to take that on?


A team that has ...

1. An owner that likes his fluid skating and 3 Cups to show the fans the team cares about winning, as the fans have questioned that recently.

2. A GM that wants to make a big move, maybe to hold onto a shaky job. Maybe someone that realizes that since OT has gone from 4-4 to 3-3, shootout specialists are no longer the most undervalued players in the league, d-men who excel in space are.

3. A young head coach that sees Letang's skating ability and other measurables and believes that he is capable of "fixing" Letang's decision making.


Carolina fits what you said to a T.
New owner that could use 3 Stanley Cup rings they want to win and win now.
New GM that wants to come in with a bang and establish that he's going for it and they can win today.
A new coach that will want to bring a multiple cup winning player into the lockerroom as a leader.

Not saying they'd make a trade, and they do have some young defensemen, BUT based on your criteria, Carolina fits perfect. You'd get a player with multiple Stanley Cup rings, has worn the A in the past, can QB the power play and bring a winning mentality to the locker room. They also have a ton of cap space and a brand new owner that seems hands on, so probably would want to show he's willing to spend money.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby SubtropicalPenguin on Fri May 11, 2018 7:42 pm

Badger Bob wrote:
Pitts wrote:You call all speculate from here to eternity, but Kris Letang is NOT GOING TO BE TRADED. I guarantee it.

^^^ This. Not that I agree with them not moving him, but I think he's well respected in the organization, regardless of his gaffs. I think they're also convinced that he's still getting back to 100% after the back surgery.


Yup. I agree with all of this. Just let it go, and hope he can return to form. He's not going anywhere, and there's no way we could get anything even resembling good value for moving him. I say just let it play out.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby Antonio on Sat May 12, 2018 3:05 pm

Sadly I don't think they'll move him but I also don't think it's IMPOSSIBLE like some think.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby no name on Sun May 13, 2018 9:20 pm

Antonio wrote:Sadly I don't think they'll move him but I also don't think it's IMPOSSIBLE like some think.


I think MGT. Would entertain the idea, but putting a deal together would be near impossible with his limited no trade, and getting fair value.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby thehockeyguru on Sun May 13, 2018 10:06 pm

no name wrote:
Antonio wrote:Sadly I don't think they'll move him but I also don't think it's IMPOSSIBLE like some think.


I think MGT. Would entertain the idea, but putting a deal together would be near impossible with his limited no trade, and getting fair value.


Getting rid of his contract so the Pens can sign a legit #1 like Carlson or OEL next season is plenty. Anything else we get in return is gravy.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby Malkintent on Mon May 14, 2018 12:05 am

I've never heard anyone anywhere say that Carlson > Letang until this year. In fact, I've heard people argue that a big reason why the Pens beat the Caps in 2016 was bc Carlson can't take over a game the way Letang can.

Also it's super risky giving Letang away just to clear space to sign someone else. What if OEL/Carlson/etc don't want to sign here? Now we're back to our 2017 defense corps. If you sign one of those guys and then shop 58, everyone will know we're over the cap and we'll have no bargaining power.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby Jim on Mon May 14, 2018 7:54 am

no name wrote:
Antonio wrote:Sadly I don't think they'll move him but I also don't think it's IMPOSSIBLE like some think.


I think MGT. Would entertain the idea, but putting a deal together would be near impossible with his limited no trade, and getting fair value.


Why would being able to be trade to at least 18 teams without questions, and potentially the rest if asked, make a deal near impossible? Free reign on 18 teams, and the rest not necessarily out of the question...

30 restaurants within a 5 mile radius of home. The significant other will only go to 18 of them. Well, that's near impossible to work out so might as well stay home.
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Re: Are there takers for Letang in the off season?

Postby no name on Mon May 14, 2018 8:06 am

Tanger doesn't want to leave. So of the 18 consider 4 of them don't have cap space, another 4 don't want him. Another 4 teams have a true No. 1 defensemen. So that leaves 6 to work with, so get a fair deal and hopefully they got the pieces we want. Ok maybe not impossible but its not going to all fall into place nice and neat.

Of the 12 teams that he removes he added the 12 teams who really might want him.
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