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Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby Cow_Master66 on Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:08 am

Per Dreger for a pick(4th which could become a 3rd).
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby Puck-Lurker on Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:14 am

Please be true.
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby Jim on Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:16 am

It's on the TSN trade tracker.

I just never got the Sheary hate. Yes, like Rust, he was overpaid, but... whatever.
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby lemieuxReturns on Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:20 am

Jim wrote:It's on the TSN trade tracker.

I just never got the Sheary hate. Yes, like Rust, he was overpaid, but... whatever.



Jim, I am with you 100%
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby pekkasteele on Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:23 am

Cow_Master66 wrote:Per Dreger for a pick(4th which could become a 3rd).


Ok, that is nice at least, i thought a 4th was the best we could get, 3rd if they make the playoffs then?
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby Pitts on Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:25 am

LOL @ Eklund:

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This trade definitely clears the way for Jeff Skinner to Penguins...UNLESS the Pens are looking bigger...Could Phil Kessel + be dealt to Ottawa for Erik Karlsson...Probably the best player the Sense could land for Karlsson
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby joker10277 on Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:26 am

Think it was two fold, his salary and that he just too easy to knock off the puck. Also GMJR needed the cap space
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby Hatrick on Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:26 am

only a 4th? while I was one who thought sheary could be certainly dealt I expected it to be for more, whether its a third or for other players. Hunwick I would have been fine getting a 5th, 6th, or even a 7th for. with rust getting his new deal I put him into the sheary category of trade if you can get something good for him, but keep if all you are getting is a 4th.
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby FLPensFan on Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:26 am

There is no hate. LW needed upgraded. Sheary and Hagelin were the candidate to help free up space. Sheary's issue (like Kessel and Sprong) is that he isn't great defensively. I personally think Sheary's defense is the best of those 3, but, it's definitely below average. Defense was the Penguins problem last year, and not just from the 6 guys on the backend. The only reason I keep Hagelin over Sheary is because of Hagelin's defense. I'll take a 5-8 goal drop off from Hagelin if it means better 5on5 defense overall.

So even with Sheary gone, if the plan is Skinner.....that's just as bad, as Skinner isn't known for his defense either. To me you can only get Skinner if Sprong is going the other way, because expecting to field an improved defense with Skinner, Sprong, and Kessel in the lineup is a pretty tough task.
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby KG on Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:34 am

That was a quick $5.25mill off the cap! Good job. Now be smart with the cap space!
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby LimerickPensFan on Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:36 am

I first heard about it when my wife came in and said the mailman told her about it. Guy drives around in his truck listening to hockey news all day. Unfortunately, he's a Blues fan, but we have some lively discussions about how much the Flyers stink.
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby Cow_Master66 on Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:40 am

Hatrick wrote:only a 4th? while I was one who thought sheary could be certainly dealt I expected it to be for more, whether its a third or for other players. Hunwick I would have been fine getting a 5th, 6th, or even a 7th for. with rust getting his new deal I put him into the sheary category of trade if you can get something good for him, but keep if all you are getting is a 4th.


Hunwick for a 5th?? That's not how it works. We had to basically give a team Sheary just to take Hunwick let alone get anything back for him straight up...
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby penny lane on Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:51 am

Pitts wrote:LOL @ Eklund:

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This trade definitely clears the way for Jeff Skinner to Penguins...UNLESS the Pens are looking bigger...Could Phil Kessel + be dealt to Ottawa for Erik Karlsson...Probably the best player the Sense could land for Karlsson


Eklund ~ Wacky trades here since 2008- 9...
:P
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby Hatrick on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:05 pm

Cow_Master66 wrote:
Hatrick wrote:only a 4th? while I was one who thought sheary could be certainly dealt I expected it to be for more, whether its a third or for other players. Hunwick I would have been fine getting a 5th, 6th, or even a 7th for. with rust getting his new deal I put him into the sheary category of trade if you can get something good for him, but keep if all you are getting is a 4th.


Hunwick for a 5th?? That's not how it works. We had to basically give a team Sheary just to take Hunwick let alone get anything back for him straight up...

as much as the fanbase hates hunwick does not mean he has negative value in the NHL, one bad year does not determine value, that's not how it works. And I said a 5th,6th or 7th, a.k.a some late round pick for somebody who has more cap space to take the chance he rebounds. So adding him into the deal does not lessen return although it makes no significant increase in value.
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby Daniel on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:08 pm

Hatrick wrote:
Cow_Master66 wrote:
Hatrick wrote:only a 4th? while I was one who thought sheary could be certainly dealt I expected it to be for more, whether its a third or for other players. Hunwick I would have been fine getting a 5th, 6th, or even a 7th for. with rust getting his new deal I put him into the sheary category of trade if you can get something good for him, but keep if all you are getting is a 4th.


Hunwick for a 5th?? That's not how it works. We had to basically give a team Sheary just to take Hunwick let alone get anything back for him straight up...

as much as the fanbase hates hunwick does not mean he has negative value in the NHL, one bad year does not determine value, that's not how it works. And I said a 5th,6th or 7th, a.k.a some late round pick for somebody who has more cap space to take the chance he rebounds. So adding him into the deal does not lessen return although it makes no significant increase in value.


If that's the best offer JR can get, what are his options? Do nothing and pray or be proactive to clear cap space and get who he wants?
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby Cow_Master66 on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:12 pm

Hatrick wrote:
Cow_Master66 wrote:
Hatrick wrote:only a 4th? while I was one who thought sheary could be certainly dealt I expected it to be for more, whether its a third or for other players. Hunwick I would have been fine getting a 5th, 6th, or even a 7th for. with rust getting his new deal I put him into the sheary category of trade if you can get something good for him, but keep if all you are getting is a 4th.


Hunwick for a 5th?? That's not how it works. We had to basically give a team Sheary just to take Hunwick let alone get anything back for him straight up...

as much as the fanbase hates hunwick does not mean he has negative value in the NHL, one bad year does not determine value, that's not how it works. And I said a 5th,6th or 7th, a.k.a some late round pick for somebody who has more cap space to take the chance he rebounds. So adding him into the deal does not lessen return although it makes no significant increase in value.


The opposite of everything you said is true. Hunwick is most definitely viewed negatively because of his salary and not being able to crack a linup that had Chad Rueldle in it. It also most definitely lowered the return. There’s no doubt that Sheary alone would have gotten a better return.

On a side note I didn’t mind Sheary or Hunwick but am happy to clear the space because the club needed t.
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby FLPensFan on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:23 pm

From Sheary's agent, Lewis Gross: "Pittsburgh gave this kid a chance, signing him out of college as a free agent. They gave him the opportunity to win two Cups. We can’t thank them enough. And we’re excited about the new opportunity. Pittsburgh has been nothing but great."
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby FLPensFan on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:24 pm

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Condition on draft pick. If Sheary scores 20 goals or 40 pts or Buf trades Hunwick before the '19 draft, it flips to a 3rd round pick.
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby KG on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:32 pm

FLPensFan wrote:Darren Dreger
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Condition on draft pick. If Sheary scores 20 goals or 40 pts or Buf trades Hunwick before the '19 draft, it flips to a 3rd round pick.


Fine. Either/or are attainable.
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby FLPensFan on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:44 pm

Mackey also talked to Hunwick's agent, Peter Fish: "I will say — and I mean this — Matt really liked coach Sullivan. He liked the guys on the team, and he’s not complaining about the opportunity he had there. I really think if Matt never got hurt, we wouldn't be in this situation right now."
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby RisslingsMissingTeeth on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:46 pm

I was a big Sheary fan so this definitely hurts when you see a player try so hard all over the ice while a Kessel gives you his 20% effort. BUT, I completely get it and I think Sheary will score 20 if the put him on the PP which will give us a 3rd.

FWIW, I thought Hunwick was awful on the Maple Leafs. Why JR signed him at all was a complete farce.
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby Hatrick on Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:01 pm

Cow_Master66 wrote:
Hatrick wrote:
Cow_Master66 wrote:
Hatrick wrote:only a 4th? while I was one who thought sheary could be certainly dealt I expected it to be for more, whether its a third or for other players. Hunwick I would have been fine getting a 5th, 6th, or even a 7th for. with rust getting his new deal I put him into the sheary category of trade if you can get something good for him, but keep if all you are getting is a 4th.


Hunwick for a 5th?? That's not how it works. We had to basically give a team Sheary just to take Hunwick let alone get anything back for him straight up...

as much as the fanbase hates hunwick does not mean he has negative value in the NHL, one bad year does not determine value, that's not how it works. And I said a 5th,6th or 7th, a.k.a some late round pick for somebody who has more cap space to take the chance he rebounds. So adding him into the deal does not lessen return although it makes no significant increase in value.


The opposite of everything you said is true. Hunwick is most definitely viewed negatively because of his salary and not being able to crack a linup that had Chad Rueldle in it. It also most definitely lowered the return. There’s no doubt that Sheary alone would have gotten a better return.

On a side note I didn’t mind Sheary or Hunwick but am happy to clear the space because the club needed t.

viewed negatively as not being something to invest much assets in, especially as a contender. But for a team that is not a real contender and has cap space he can not make a deal worse for the same asking price. Buffalo fits into that category so that means the same return would have also been there for sheary.
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby Pitt87 on Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:14 pm

RisslingsMissingTeeth wrote:I was a big Sheary fan so this definitely hurts when you see a player try so hard all over the ice while a Kessel gives you his 20% effort. BUT, I completely get it and I think Sheary will score 20 if the put him on the PP which will give us a 3rd.


Agree, the kid has a motor that doesn't stop. He will run through a wall for his team. Love that aspect of his game. He's a guy I'll follow.
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby Pitt87 on Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:20 pm

Cow_Master66 wrote:
Hatrick wrote:only a 4th? while I was one who thought sheary could be certainly dealt I expected it to be for more, whether its a third or for other players. Hunwick I would have been fine getting a 5th, 6th, or even a 7th for. with rust getting his new deal I put him into the sheary category of trade if you can get something good for him, but keep if all you are getting is a 4th.


Hunwick for a 5th?? That's not how it works. We had to basically give a team Sheary just to take Hunwick let alone get anything back for him straight up...


The return here is $5.25m against the cap this year AND next year. GMJR is distributing our cap woes among like 5 teams right now... For that, the market is limited by the number of trading partners willing to take a chance on these two putting a full season together.

I'll judge this deal based on what comes next -- GMJR taking Skinner, who IMO is a known commodity but still a gamble, or if he pulls some other genius 3 way deal with even more cap savings coming back to us.
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Re: Sheary/Hunwick to Buffalo

Postby E-Ramone on Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:26 pm

LimerickPensFan wrote:I first heard about it when my wife came in and said the mailman told her about it. Guy drives around in his truck listening to hockey news all day. Unfortunately, he's a Blues fan, but we have some lively discussions about how much the Flyers stink.


That's good stuff! :lol:
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