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Re: Hagelin traded to LA

Postby LimerickPensFan on Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:26 am

FLPensFan wrote:You are all crazy if you think Hagelin magically makes a difference on the PK last night. Hagelin was an effective penalty killer here, but he's not the PK whisperer. You do know that on a 5-3 PK Hagelin likely wouldn't have been on the ice, correct? It would mainly be Cullen and Sheahan rotating with two defenseman. Hags could get out there on the fly, but 5 on 3 you are putting a center out to take the draws.

Let's also not overlook that Tampa might have one of the most stacked PP units in the NHL. Stamos, Kucherov, Johnson, one of Point/Gourde/Killorn plus Hedman rivals Penguins PP.

Be better than this.

Except Cullen was in one of the ones in the box - in fact the last one to leave.
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Re: Hagelin traded to LA

Postby Risto on Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:38 am

IntangibleBeer wrote:Uh, any resemblance between Bylsma and Sullivan is purely, and I mean PURELY coincidental. Let's review.
Bylsma:
  • Won a Stanley Cup with essentially Therien's team and system; I think he changed the PK a bit.
  • Proved that he was totally inflexible; beaten repeatedly by teams who solved his system.
  • Proved himself unable to manage the star power on the team.
  • Had almost zero focus on defense.
  • With all the massive talent (and rentals) on the team, proved that he could not create good team chemistry or win any Cups. Should have had at least 2 more.

Sullivan:
  • Won 2 Cups - back to back.
  • Adjusts the team in-game; shows opposing coaches new looks / problems to deal with
  • Immediately brought a calming and ordered mentality to the team; seized control of situations rather than letting them happen to him.
  • Understands that defense wins championships.


My comments were more with respect to the seeming preference of each coach to elevate pluggers to top lines while burying pedigreed scorers in the bottom 6.

The classic example with Bylsma was Jerome Iginla playing on the wrong side on the 3rd line while Pascal Dupuis skated as the top line RW. Even better, Jordan Staal scores 29 goals as a top line winger as a rookie, never to play there again, while a parade of muckers and grinders and marginal talents occupy Sid and Geno's wings for years.

And now with Sullivan, we see guys like Sprong, ZAR and even Kessell mired in bottom 6 duty, while Sid is forced to try and elevate obvious ham-and-eggers like Rust, Simon, Sheary...
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Re: Hagelin traded to LA

Postby Cow_Master66 on Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:36 pm

Anyone that thinks Sid is “forced” to play with his linemates is just wrong. He has the bulk of the say on who plays next to him so don’t blame Sullivan for that....
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Re: Hagelin traded to LA

Postby Jim on Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:54 pm

Cow_Master66 wrote:Anyone that thinks Sid is “forced” to play with his linemates is just wrong. He has the bulk of the say on who plays next to him so don’t blame Sullivan for that....


So then you are saying that Crosby is the moron with no hockey's ensemble nor ability to see the big picture... thanks.
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Re: Hagelin traded to LA

Postby ville5 on Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:41 pm

What made Pearson change from number 70? Has anyone read anything?
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Re: Hagelin traded to LA

Postby Daniel on Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:01 pm

ville5 wrote:What made Pearson change from number 70? Has anyone read anything?


They mentioned it was his junior team number. Looking at the Kings roster his rookie year and Justin Williams wore 14.
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Re: Hagelin traded to LA

Postby ville5 on Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:09 pm

Daniel wrote:
ville5 wrote:What made Pearson change from number 70? Has anyone read anything?


They mentioned it was his junior team number. Looking at the Kings roster his rookie year and Justin Williams wore 14.

Thanks Daniel!
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Re: Hagelin traded to LA

Postby Cow_Master66 on Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:56 pm

Jim wrote:
Cow_Master66 wrote:Anyone that thinks Sid is “forced” to play with his linemates is just wrong. He has the bulk of the say on who plays next to him so don’t blame Sullivan for that....


So then you are saying that Crosby is the moron with no hockey's ensemble nor ability to see the big picture... thanks.


No, you said that because I don’t even know what that means.
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